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March 27th, 2014
Thanks Tony for your input which is as succinct as always.
My ex and I are remaining amicable for now and she's being realistic so we're just going through the nitty gritty of mortgages, rent, maintenance etc
Every minute I had spare (with internet access) was spent going through page after page and I must admit I've found it emotionally and physically overwhelming due to the vastness of info that it contained. I was averaging 3 pages a night and in the end I was exhausted probably due to lack of sleep and working 12 hour days in a hot, humid, dusty, diesel fumed filled UG mine.
I probably averaged 2 to 3 hours sleep a night waking up with blood shot eyes with my work collegues commenting everyday "you look fuct" but I strongly recommend everyone who's relatively new here to do the same.
I've set myself 6 months to try and test myself to the point where it becomes futile (pending funds(mortgage, bills x 2 & rent is extremely expensive)) and in the process of finding a house to live alone so i can get some worthwhile answers.
I and everyone I guess, agrees dealing with doctors is the biggest pain in the ass and the worst part is it's incredibly unfortunate we need them as a medium to get to the bottom of this chronic disease.
All the best everyone and thanks Tony for the heads up on alafenamide fumarate.
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replied March 27th, 2014
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DNO,

You're very welcome, and I appreciate and am relieved by your positive recognition. I'm sure as you read all of those posts, you saw instances where I basically had my face chewed off for airing my beliefs. Fighting each other is absurd, we're all in this together, so working together is certainly better than not working together. I've had awesome conversations with JB, WS, AdviseMe, Scared, et al. If we work together, we might beat this thing, if we don't, we'll just be more bodies on the pile of dead people. And thank you for sharing your existence, certainly this illness affects more than our health, it affects every aspect of our lives, including our relationships with our family, friends, coworkers, and lovers. I will never forget the day that my coworker gave me the "fuct" description, nor when my cousin noticed that I was wasting.

Best wishes.
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replied May 28th, 2014
Hi all

I would like to encourage those who caught the the virus detailed below to post here: wwwDOTunknownstdDOTfreeforumsDOTnet

This is so we have a central ‘meeting place’, rather than heaps of different health forums, to share stories and form a plan of action.

If you think you have HTLV like Tony does - despite continued negative tests - then you are clearly clinically insane, so please don't post.

Early symptoms (usually within a couple of days of exposure):

- Burning genitals
- Problems with urination - inability to keep urine in
- Severe anxiety and depression
- Tongue problems: teeth marks around it, red dots, white tongue
- Stomach pains and acid reflux
- Tinnitus
- Skin in mouth wiping away and mouth sores
- Yellow and foamy urine
- Flank pain
- Tenderness in groin area
- Swollen lymph nodes: groin and neck in particular
- Pain in penis/anal area
- Red and burning eyes
- Dry mouth and feelings of dehydration
- Body rashes
- Night sweats
- Skin tingling

Long lasting symptoms:

- White tongue
- Mouth ulcers
- Joints that crack and click on every movement
- Muscle spasms
- Peeling hands and feet, plus dry skin
- Chest pains
- Frequent urination

If you believe you caught the same disease (most likely the mystery Chinese HIV-negative one) please please do get in touch and post. It's only by coming together that we can get to the bottom of this.
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replied March 28th, 2014
Is sinusitis common in htlv ....
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replied March 30th, 2014
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Z,

Since HTLV causes so many immune supressive conditions (problems with eyes, skin, ears, throat, mouth, rectum, etc.), sinusitis would not be unexpected. Also as a woman expect your menstrual cycle to go crazy as well.

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replied March 30th, 2014
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Hi everyone,

Regarding that guy from LA with some of HTLV proteins showed up on Western Blot I mentioned earlier (the only person we know that had HTLV WB test). My friend who has his contact have told me: "he is not in the "business" any more and even does't answer to my messages".
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replied March 30th, 2014
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JB,

With all due respect, screw everyone in LA - they don't help us, so what good are they? I'm saying this with frustration because I've gotten similarly jerked around by the same people you are referring to, was promised phone numbers of doctors, only to be told no later on, because of some secret nonsense.

We already have Doctor Loughran who already has a group of patients who are testing for proteins of HTLV, and has published this information in medical journals. I'd rather go with published information than some clandestine "guy from LA" who sounds like he's just full of it.

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replied April 2nd, 2014
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Mycosis Fungoides Is an HTLV-Associated Disease
BR Smoller reviewing Pancake BA et al. J Clin Invest 1995.

Human T-cell lymphotropic virus (HTLV) has been associated with some types of cutaneous T-cell lymphoma. However, despite repeated studies using a variety of different methods of virus detection, HTLV infection has not been convincingly associated with mycosis fungoides. These authors suggest that the methods used in these studies, such as serologic tests for anti-HTLV antibodies and Southern hybridization to detect proviral sequences, are not sensitive enough.

The authors examined peripheral blood mononuclear cells from 50 patients with mycosis fungoides. Using a combination of polymerase chain reaction and Southern blot hybridization technology, they probed for the presence of HTLV pol and tax proviral sequences. The pol or tax sequence was detected in 46 of the 50 patients. Some of these patients did not have an immune response to the HTLV virus. HTLV sequences were not detected in 10 patients with chronic lymphocytic leukemia or 26 healthy volunteers. The authors conclude that mycosis fungoides is, in fact, an HTLV-associated disease, and that the lack of an immune response to the virus does not preclude its presence.

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replied June 3rd, 2014
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Please focus on the sentence "pol or tax sequence was detected in 46 of the 50 patients" - that means 92% of people with MF have HTLV proviral sequences. But hey, we must all be crazy for suspecting HTLV, like Wilson10 has alleged, right?
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replied April 2nd, 2014
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Br J Dermatol. 1995 Jun;132(6):983-8.
HTLV-I-associated lymphoma presenting as mycosis fungoides in an HTLV-I non-endemic area: a viro-molecular study.
D'Incan M1, Antoniotti O, Gasmi M, Fonck Y, Chassagne J, Desgranges C, Souteyrand P.
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Human T-lymphotropic virus type I (HTLV-I) is endemic in the Caribbean region, south-western Japan and Africa, and is associated with tropical spastic paraparesis and adult T-cell leukaemia/lymphoma (ATLL). Cutaneous forms of ATLL are sometimes indistinguishable from other cutaneous T-cell lymphomas (CTCL). We report a woman living in a non-endemic area for HTLV-I, with no risk factors for viral infection, who developed mycosis fungoides-like ATLL. The findings underline the usefulness of molecular biological techniques in distinguishing between mycosis fungoides and ATLL. We emphasize the need to establish the HTLV-I status of patients with CTCL, even in HTLV-I non-endemic areas, not only to establish a preventive policy in these countries, but also to further our knowledge of the lymphoproliferation spectrum associated with human retroviruses.
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replied April 10th, 2014
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Today an article was published regarding the resolution of an Multiple Sclerosis patient using anti-HIV drugs, proving in theory that MS can be caused by an unknown, unseen virus, just like our illness. The article stated that as much as 8 percent of the human genome is made up of Endogenous Retroviruses (ERVs). If any of you were to start taking medications such as TAF and your symptoms resolved, wouldn't that be enough to prove that we are similarly infected with an HTLV like virus?

The doctor in the article was quoted as follows: “If we wait for the laboratory to give us the answer, we will all have been retired."

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replied April 12th, 2014
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Thank you for posting this Tony. My father has MS, would you able to link this article for me please.
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replied April 22nd, 2014
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Medpagetoday dot com slash Neurology slash MultipleSclerosis slash 44861
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replied April 25th, 2014
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Thanks
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replied April 11th, 2014
I'm in my new rental and have nothing new to add but I noticed no one except Tony seems to be keeping this post alive.
I've been so busy with trying to set up and tomorrow I have to find furniture (dreaded garage sales) because i'm leaving my 700k house and family behind in a search of what the sh?t has infected me.
Thanks for everyone for keeping this forum alive Jennifer Garner just came on Jimmy Fallon and she was very cool in Dallas Buyer's club. Cool chick and Batman Ben is lucky.
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replied April 11th, 2014
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Thanks D & best of luck to you in your new place - where are you located?
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replied April 12th, 2014
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Best of luck Downenout. I am currently saving up for possibly going to Mayo clinic. Furthermore I have been trying to live a 2 weeks kinda ignoring it, but guess what nothing has changed.

Just want to give a small update since I am typing here anyway: I got a lot of hemorrhoids lately, getting worse really rapidly now. So I am going to the hospital for this as well soon, gastroenterology.

Wish you all the best, I am still reading here often.
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replied April 15th, 2014
Thanks Tony and Msamsamsa for your best wishes,
I'm located in Western Australia and have been very busy with getting furniture, looking after kids while ex works etc. Throat killing me at the moment and i understand what Tony was saying about the big picture.
I must admit I'm still in a bit of denial about the whole illness in the hope I'll be alright.
I believe the people that chewed Tony's face off were also in denial, scared and reacted with animosity; basic defence mechanism.
Work is brutal and I sweat so much whilst doing bugger all. I chain smoke which doesn't seem to help my throat.
I've been drinking a bit lately and it definitely takes it toll, so much more than before the exposure.
I'm going to be busy for the next couple of weeks, looking after kids and also need to find a good doctor (or a doctor who's willing to let me pay for a WB, PCR & FCS. I don't give a crap how much it costs and will rack it up on credit card if need be but due to the usual GP resistance I know I'm in for a fight.
Anyho all the best everyone and I seem to get by with a little bit of denial and enjoying the little things.

All the best my online confidants Smile
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replied April 15th, 2014
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Thank you for the wishes. Alcohol is definitely more ''worse'' than it used to be for me too. Hope you find your dr. If you persist long enough, they will eventually do it.
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replied April 22nd, 2014
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Because of this illness, having more than one drink knocks me out.
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replied April 22nd, 2014
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You're welcome D&E,

And thank you for acknowledging the big picture. You're smart to see that the people attacking me were doing so out of fear - this thing is very scary, especially considering that it's killed so many people. I remember when I was at your stage, where very little effort had me dripping in sweat. Also the night sweats left an outline of my body on my mattress and my underpants wet. Keep fighting this thing, we are going to win, I'm going to make sure that this disease is known if it's the last thing I do.

Best wishes.
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replied April 23rd, 2014
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no famous doctors or experts care our desease? I don't know why we are not a HIV, and indeed we are infected by some virus, govement and researchers cann't do more attribution on it. sometimes I want to kill myself due to the bad situation.
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replied April 23rd, 2014
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Feng,

Certainly I feel that way at least once a week - pain becomes too severe, and thinking that no one cares enough to even give me medicine for this illness.

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replied April 24th, 2014
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Hi TonyDewitt,

how long are you? I am just more than one year, less than two years.
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replied April 24th, 2014
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Feng,

Almost two and a half years.

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replied April 25th, 2014
I had a previous post that has seemed to disappear.
Anyway I went to a new doctor to request an HTLV WB, PCR and FCS and he basically said he won't order it until he runs all the basic tests again (done those over and over for the last 2.5 years)and after that he will send me to a Rheumatologist and then it will be his call.
I tried ringing heaps of path labs to see who does the HTLV WB and the crap thing is that the labs in Aus don't even want to give you any info and say go through your doctor.
They want heaps of info like contract numbers etc and after an exhausting search I found the main one does it.
It took me two days to get through to them and after a couple of calls they ended up fobbing me off just like everyone else.
Here is the response I ended up getting for the director;

"The process for HTLV testing is first that you would go to a Doctor and have him/her request HTLV testing. You would then be bled and the sample would go to a pathology service, usually of the Doctor’s choosing, but you can ask for it to be referred to another pathology service if you wish, which the Doctor may or may not agree to. The pathology service will perform an HTLV screening test on your blood. If that test is negative, no further testing needs to be performed. The specimen will not be referred for confirmatory testing if the screening test is negative.

If the result is positive in the screening test, your specimen will be referred for confirmatory testing. This testing confirms whether the result in the screening test is truly or falsely positive. The confirmatory test is the western blot, which is performed by N_L. The pathology service will send the specimen to N_L. You will NOT be charged for the western blot testing. It is subsidised by the government.

HTLV 1 and 2 PCR is an in-house research use only test i.e. there is no commercial test available for HTLV PCR. HTLV PCR is not intended to be used for diagnosis. It is intended to be used to monitor HTLV infection in a person who is known to be infected.

N_L does not examine blood for flower cells or perform any other haematological testing."

After a series of questions I said to them I wanted the WB for research purposes because I didn't want serology.

I suppose the next step is seeing what comes back from the usual tests and go see the specialist.

It seems I have been stonewalled with the screening serology test protocol and cannot pursue this outside Australia's very highly regulated medical institution.
This place blows.
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replied April 29th, 2014
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D,

Certainly companies in the USA like Quest Diagnostics and LabCorp perform the PCR testing. It's insane that your own country, which has an endemic HTLV native population, won't provide full testing for HTLV.

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replied April 29th, 2014
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thanks for TD's information.Well it is very important to share information. I hope that all you are doing fine now and that we have the solution about it. If someone has similar symptoms it would be easier for them to find an answer and the solution. Please keep us posted. my email is furture1987 at(@) yahoo dot(.) com. thanks TD again. BTW, if anyone who have website introduce it(like the website), please give the link, thanks a lot.
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replied May 4th, 2014
H pylori....
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replied May 4th, 2014
I tested positive on h pylori
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replied May 15th, 2014
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I tested positive for h pylori too. I was taking two antibiotics simultaneously and a PPI medication for two or three weeks.
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replied June 5th, 2014
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Z & JB,

We are going to come down with many opportunistic infections (candida / yeast, pylori, etc). Treating them might help you feel a little better, but it's not curing the vitus, which is the underlying cause.

Best wishes.
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replied May 5th, 2014
hi.. iam indian male.. age 24 yrs. i did a stupid mistake 3 months back. having sex with a csw . after 9 days a got sore throat, swollen lympnodes all over my body, mild persistent fever, itching all over body, head ache, all are still there. im planning to take 3 month hiv test this week. but im very afraid. i was very healthy up to that date. but from that incident i was mentally died and has no answer for my things.
i did 4 tests
3,5,7 weeks elisa negative
3 weeks dna pcr negative.
but im seeing here most of the people after testing negative also having symptoms.please help me to get relieve from these..
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replied May 7th, 2014
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HTLV
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replied May 7th, 2014
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I was pleasantly surprised to receive a call from DFrank, we had a nice long chat about what's going on. Certainly he is important to me since he is the longest 'survivor' of this that I know. Thanks for calling DF.

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replied May 10th, 2014
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DFrank resolve it? how can he do it?
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replied May 10th, 2014
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No, but he's doing the best that he can to live with this. Here's what I am taking daily:

Vitamin C - 1,000mg
Iron - 28mg
Cranberry - 300mg
Licorice Root - 450mg
Lysine - 500mg
Pau D'Arco - 545mg
Olive Leaf - 500mg
Skull Cap - 425mg
Garlic - 350mg

All of these have been alleged to have antiviral properties, and in addition, I take a general multivitamin. Not mentioned in this list is turmeric-curcumin, which does much to reduce inflammation and pain, the place where I order it (turmeric-curcumin dot com) is currently back ordered.

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replied May 11th, 2014
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1.Good news. how about Dfrank after he use above medicine? does he have any symptom?

2. My wife and I want to birth a baby. how do you think about it?

3. I have consulted other doctors about it. he said like that:

To Me
Today at 12:41 AM
you are welcome, am the only spiritual herbalist that can cure any symptom like HIV and any similar problem you are passing through, i have cured many symptom like that with my powerful herbs. Try and get back to me for any solution regarding your problem.

do you have some ideas? please share your comments. thanks a lot.
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replied May 13th, 2014
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Feng,

I would not advise having a baby, seeing what this disease does to children scares me.

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replied May 14th, 2014
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hi TD,

To Me
Today at 12:41 AM
you are welcome, am the only spiritual herbalist that can cure any symptom like HIV and any similar problem you are passing through, i have cured many symptom like that with my powerful herbs. Try and get back to me for any solution regarding your problem.

To Me
May 13 at 1:51 AM
You will get it as soon i received the payment for the items to be brought to my temple, these items will cost you $130 according to the forest hunter/items seller.

what do you think it?
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replied May 14th, 2014
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I think this is a scam
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replied May 16th, 2014
Hi Tony,

I got my results from another bunch of tests.
I was clear on all of them except autoantibody which showed mixed speckled and homogeneous patterns. They did further test for lupus etc and they came back clear.
My Ferritin iron level was high at 591 (range is 30 - 400). "Elevated ferritin is most commonly part of an acute phase response to infection or inflamation."
My routine haematology was fine with a ESR of 2. I know a bunch of you were talking about ESR a while back.
I was given a referral to a Professor who is a research director of the Institute of Immunology and Infectious diseases in WA but the IIID clinic director told me he is overseas. I told her I want to talk to someone about HTLV and she is sending me to their HIV doctor so hopefully he can be of assistance. I will discuss my symptoms, how I wanted the full complement of testing and about diagnosing defective and deleted variant proviruses.
This has to be the best place I can go to due to it's a research institute with a clinic attached to a university.
Tony do you have anything you think I should add?
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replied May 17th, 2014
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D,

Yes, autoneural antibody is an important test with regard to our disease. So is flower cell smear test. The best you can do is have them test for individual proteins of HTLV to see if you line up with Doctor Loughlin's patients in Hershey, Pennsylvania. Of course, you could blow their doors off as a research institute by having them perform the rat test.

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replied May 8th, 2014
what is htlv? how it transmit
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replied May 16th, 2014
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Hey guys, how are you doing?
It has been awhile since I haven't posted here.

My symptoms these days are not really different from the ones I felt years ago at the initial stage. The only difference is that, I have learnt how to cope with my illness.

Doctors are not willing to help me and I am not willing to make them richer without being diagnosed and if possible, cured.

My partner and I are going through the same problems.

I am going through this thing for almost 3 years now.
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replied May 19th, 2014
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Good to hear from you Ustas, thanks for posting.

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replied May 22nd, 2014
Hi All,

I've been to see the HIV doctor about HTLV and you could tell he read up a little about it before I went in there. I told him I wanted to get the full compliment of testing including WB and PCR like they do in Brazil and he said he's going to check it out and do some more research. I told him how hard HTLV is to diagnose and has a low viral load. He replied it's a lentivirus and agreed. I even showed him Tony's post on p105 about DR Loughlin's LGL Leukemia cohort testing and how people were repeatedly reactive to P24 and P21e and my worry about deleted/defective variants and he said half sarcastically it's all about the protein bands but digressed and said "that's right, if the virus has internal deletions it isn't as potent and won't have the symptoms of the regular virus???" Anyho so hopefully he's genuine and wants to help me and all of us for that matter.
I do get the feeling he will be shutdown on my request to be tested for WB and PCR but we will see what happens.
Ustas - I've had this illness for about the same time as you and it's good to see your back to discuss whatever is ailing you.

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replied May 22nd, 2014
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D,

They've been referring to the variants as "defective" virus for some time, and that label would be fine *if* these "defective" variants weren't devastating, but they are. People are crippled or die all the time from MF, MM, ATL, HAM, various lymphomas and leukemias (thanks for referencing Doctor Loughlin's LGL Leukemia cohort). So yes, I really WISH that these variants were "defective", but they're not - on the contrary, they are "effective".

Look, you're just asking for testing - if you can't receive a WB test, then something is SERIOUSLY wrong. We all need to take the WB test to see if our protein band's line up with Doctor Loughlin's LGL cohort. It took Alberto from Italy YEARS before he was positive on the PCR test (who, I have to assume is either dead or on his deathbed, since he hasn't replied to my e-mails in a long time - he's 8 years infected).

Best wishes.

PS: This month is 2.5 years for me.
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replied May 22nd, 2014
Does anyone constantly get that sickly feeling in their stomach after they eat?
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replied May 22nd, 2014
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D,

The virus causes pressure issues throughout the body - I can't even handle a shovel anymore, the pressure-pain on my hands is too much. Same goes for feet (walking), rear end (sitting), etc. I'm sure the some goes for your stomach - the mere pressure of being full has too much push on your insides. For me, I can't even bend over without feeling like I was punched in my stomach. My stomach is sticking out like a balloon, and a lady I infected two years ago is completely bloated. While the virus causes severe muscle wasting, it also interferes with mitochondrial energy processing, causing the bloating, results in bloated people with wasted muscles. A weird look to say the least.

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replied May 22nd, 2014
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Yes. I get kind of the same the feeling which you get when you are very hungry, after eating. With certain foods this is worse and with others this is less worse, same that sometimes randomly it is worse than other times.
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replied May 26th, 2014
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my main symptom is that all body skin is very very Pruritus, looks some inspect bite me. sometimes skin have little pain, looks Blood barrier. guys, do you have these symptoms? and how can I do to release them. thanks a lot.
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replied May 26th, 2014
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I'm getting lesions that are painful and take a while to go away, usually on my nose, base of my head, and stomach. I take a bath with half a cup of bleach to resolve these and clean out my pores - remember that infective dermatitis is a real risk.
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replied May 26th, 2014
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Hey Guys.
From the day I started feeling sick, my skin has changed. When I look at my skin from an angle, it looks like very time rash all over it, especially on the hands.

You guys have better doctors in your country, so its easier for them to diagnose you better.

Just keeping my fingers crossed that something good will come our way.

Stay strong guys,, no matter what.
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replied May 27th, 2014
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Ustas,

Thanks for your words of support. With the latest recommendation that everyone take Truvada (which contains Tenofovir), we are a step closer to getting antiviral medication. The newer formulation of Tenofovir is much more effective than the original formulation, and will bring us much help. Like you, my skin has changed drastically since I was infected.

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replied May 28th, 2014
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Hi TD,

what is the link about the newer formulation of Tenofovir?
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replied June 2nd, 2014
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Feng,

The newer formulation is called "tenofovir alafenamide", do a search for it and you'll see multiple references.

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replied June 5th, 2014
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PS: That recommendation was from the CDC.
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replied June 2nd, 2014
Is anyone tested positive for htlv in this forum
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replied June 3rd, 2014
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No.
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replied June 4th, 2014
Hi Tony,

I've had blood drawn a couple of days ago and the doctor had a lot of tests requested.
HTLV- (1 & 2 Ab, Western blot, Proviral DNA), RPR, HIV AG/Ab, FBE - KLM Abs, ENC - mitochondrial Ab, ESR CH50, ANA IgA,G,M Abs, ENA IgG subclasses, ANCA TCell subsets/CD4 count, CCP.
I hope that makes sense because it's hard to understand if he wrote them down as one of two separate tests. I hope something comes up with all those tests.
Feng I have terrible pruritus as well and am constantly scratching everywhere; especially groin.
Tony I don't have the same skin disorders you have yet but I probably don't have such an aggressive strain but I do have bad dermatitis on my feet.
I hate the feeling in my throat especially after eating when I have that slimy mucous I have to spit out for the next 5 minutes. Disgusting and I bet it looks horrible to the casual observer.
Anyway I hope all of you are going ok and will get back when I find out more.

Cheers
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replied June 5th, 2014
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DNE,

Definitely he gave you ALL of the tests for HTLV, please make sure that you see each protein band of the HTLV WB results to see if they match Doctor Loughlin's cohort. In addition, he also gave you other valuable systemic tests - the ESR (sedimentation rate) test was the next thing I was going to suggest, but I see that he included that as well, very good. The ANCA test is used for inflammation, and since the virus survives by causing, then hijacking inflammation responses, that's a good test as well.

I don't know how you got this doctor to perform these tests, you're certainly ahead of ALL of us in this sense. Most of us can't get one of these tests, never mind all of them.

It took me a while to get rid of the skin problems on my feet, and now I noticed that I scratch mostly where the wasting is taking place (shoulders, hips, and rear). Same as you with the mucous in my throat, and we had mentioned earlier in the forum that we're having mucous out of our rectums too - I believe this is a result of internal candida (yeast) infections. Externally, yeast can affect the folds of your skin (knee, groin, armpit, elbow, nose, etc).

Rather than a different (less aggressive) strain, I would say that we are all reacting differently to the same virus, some better, some worse. I'm older (late 40s), but AdviseMe who is 29 is so sick that he can't control his bladder. Do you have increased sebum (skin oil)? I am drenched in the crap, but evening time my hair is so oily I look filthy.

Best wishes.
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