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September 4th, 2013
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I'm negative ELISA and normal CD4 (as of 3 months ago). Are you saying if I'm positive on PCR I will be able to be treated?
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replied September 4th, 2013
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testsRwrong i think your symptoms is not HIV related at all i think u and your family are ok. if you have this
1. experience ARS
2. Eye flooters
3. Dry mouth
4. Gases stomach
5. loose stools

You might be have something like us late HIV or HTLV
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replied September 4th, 2013
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its is a good sign that your CD4 is normal.
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replied September 4th, 2013
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Hassan,

Exactly.

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replied September 4th, 2013
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We might be the one with Agammaglobulinemia disorder.
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replied September 4th, 2013
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I think it's hitting my neurological system before it hits my immune system. Thus the change in walking gait, difficulty organizing thoughts, slurred speach.

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replied November 11th, 2013
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TRW,

We all have though symptoms, and we don't have HIV.
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replied September 4th, 2013
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I checked symptoms just now. I don't have Agammaglobulinemia.
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replied September 4th, 2013
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Hello all, Tony is right this is htlv and i can prove it. I have oral with a lady and 2 days later had some genital sores. which went away after 3 days. went for a test and was told i had some traces of steph and given some antibiotics. was normal for a month and thought nothing of it. wife traveled with kids and she came back and i had sex with her, we started experencing all weired symptoms which included papper cuts on legs, tingling red eyes back and spine pain and head ache and sensitive hearing and night sweats. mine was more pronounced. lost weight on the shoulders and buttocks. i just said this was HIV and googled it and it was said it can be tramsmitted through breatmilk. asked my wife to stop breastfeeding baby and both had an HIV test.negative i have since had a tone of HIV test with all negative. all std test negative. now we have cronic respiratory issues and sore throat. this including my son that was breast fed. the only other virus that can be transmitted through breastmilk and breastfeeding is htlv 1. no other std. my son has nero problems. after the infection his lost weight and mental development has slowed as he lost some words, drools ecessively had serious temperature even while under broad spetrum antibiotics. me and the wife are in a big mess. the lady that gave me this has tested twice for hiv and negative. so its not hiv. she knew she had this virus as she tested for HIV 3 times before i had oral and and she intentionally tourched her virginer on my penis in the dark. i had no errection and should not be a risk or a low risk with HIV.

so this is definitly htlv 1. i leave in a country where this disease is rear and when i questioned her she once slept with a guy from asia guess that s when she got it and she has been spreading it intentionally. i noticed that day she had execive saliver and i dont know why i di not just walk away as i had no erection out of guilt.

that is late now and am filled with regret for wht i have done to my sweat family out of anger.

but its funny that my daugter who is out of this is also starting to exibit some symptom. so this thing is more contagious then people think. even my colleagues are getting sick and red eyes. dont know.

now we have serious sinusities. sore throat and insomania. i justy cry when i remember how strong i used to be.

I have some qusetions if this is htlv why are the symptoms showing so early. and what is the difference with the fear of aids virus in china its same symptoms.
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replied September 4th, 2013
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I don't understand how your co-workers are being infected by you unless its something transmited by coughing or like the flu, so far no known retroviruses are transmitted that way including HIV or HTLV.
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replied September 5th, 2013
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Through handshakes and the toilets I guess. They are not that sick but have red eyes and flu like symptoms. Like I had initially. Maybe it's my mind as I look and feel crazy sometime.
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replied September 5th, 2013
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Through handshakes and the toilets I guess. They are not that sick but have red eyes and flu like symptoms. Like I had initially. Maybe it's my mind as I look and feel crazy sometime.
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replied September 5th, 2013
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No known retroviruses are transmitted through handshakes or toilet seats.
They are thought to be transmitted by some bodily fluids, mainly semen and to a lesser extent vaginal fluids, blood to blood contact is thought to be a more effective route for transmission.
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replied September 5th, 2013
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So how did i get it. split second contact that was washed off. and i ejaculated so no way that stuff outside her body should have infected me. also howcome my baby gal is getting the red spots the brother has.

this a new stuff that is so contegious it would end mankind in less than 20 years
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replied September 5th, 2013
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I don't know what you have so i can't tell you how you got it. Maybe you got something airborne or actually someone on the forum got scabies which is transmitted by casual contact even, there are other things that are transmitted more easily luckily most are curable.
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replied September 4th, 2013
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testsRwrong wrote:
I'm negative ELISA and normal CD4 (as of 3 months ago). Are you saying if I'm positive on PCR I will be able to be treated?

Yes you will be treated by a doctor if you test positive on a pcr test.
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replied September 6th, 2013
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This is the first I'm hearing this. I've read quite a bit. Everything I see says ELISA has to be positive. If you could show me otherwise, I'd greatly appreciate it! Thank you
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replied September 10th, 2013
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A positive pcr will result you to be referred to an infectious disease specialist, from there he will monitor and treat you.
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replied September 4th, 2013
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i still keep thinking this is HIV not HTLV Tony. No mater what it is this retrovirus don't have any treatment for it we just gonna die young with it. i just want to spread this virus to everybody including my doctor than he will know it how serious it is.
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replied September 4th, 2013
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Other people have had the same thought - even scared suggested that his doctor inject himself with a vial of his infected blood.
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replied September 5th, 2013
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Hassan, how did you know you got the virus, and how did it infect your other kids? what are the symptoms you currently have.

mine are just.

Buttocks pain.
sore throat
painfull swallowing.
disappered lunula
pain in thine
visson issues
rashes right side of body
visible veins on head
crazy look on face.
insomia
chest pain
blocked nustrials at night.
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replied September 4th, 2013
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replied September 5th, 2013
Watch this documentary called "House of Numbers" you will quickly learn more about HIV and AIDS, lead by a man who was born with HIV. You'll learn how they come up with the results, numbers and how reliable these test really are.
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replied September 5th, 2013
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I've heard of it, and watched some of it, it seems to me as if some don't believe hiv causes aids, they believe hiv tests are useless.
I tend to believe that the tests have been proven to be accurate over and over again.
Can you please explain to us your thought on that movie to us?
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replied September 5th, 2013
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The test are truely useless from my recornning. why am i negtive and have all the symptoms? why? people are getting married on the absumption that the tests are legit. while they sont know better.

I think this is a slow virus, stilt virus that will end mankind.
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replied September 5th, 2013
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Theoretically possible, but what if its not true?
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replied September 5th, 2013
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HIV testing has a proven track record, and is conclusive. Furthermore, doctors routinely mention HIV, test for it, and treat it.

On the contrary, since doctors don't mention nor test for HTLV, it has become an epidemic. Ever ask yourself why doctors don't mention HTLV, nor test for it, nor treat it? Once you consider that, you will then understand why this is killing all of us.

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replied September 5th, 2013
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This article mentions a novel way to test for HTLV by injecting rats with your blood cells - this proved that a seronegative patient who died from sepsis and leukemia had actually been infected with HTLV.

Human T lymphotropic virus type 1 in a seronegative B chronic lymphocytic leukemia patient.
Stark P, Bodemer W, Hannig H, Luboshitz J, Shaklai M, Shohat B.
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Institute of Hematology, Rabin Medical Center, Beilinson Campus, 49100 Petah Tiqva, Israel.
Abstract
Human T lymphotropic virus type 1 (HTLV-1) is the etiological agent of adult T cell leukemia and HTLV-1-associated myelopathy/tropical spastic paraparesis. HTLV-1 infection in patients with B cell-type chronic lymphocytic leukemia (B-CLL) is rare and has been reported only in areas in which HTLV-1 is endemic. In the present study, we detected HTLV-1 proviral DNA by polymerase chain reaction, using tax primers, in peripheral blood lymphocytes from a B-CLL patient, an immigrant to Israel, where HTLV-1 infection is not endemic. F344 rats injected intravenously with peripheral blood lymphocytes obtained from the patient developed HTLV-1 antibodies. Titers of antibody to HTLV-1 in the rat blood were 1:512 by particle agglutination; enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay and Western blotting were also positive. No antibody against HTLV-1 was demonstrated in the animal model after inoculation of either purified B lymphocytes from the B-CLL patient or peripheral blood mononuclear cells from healthy donors. This is one of the few studies showing the presence of HTLV-1 provirus in T lymphocytes of a B-CLL patient who had multiple infections, and died of salmonella sepsis, and the first report of HTLV-1 antibody induction in an animal model by inoculation of lymphocytes obtained from an HTLV-1-infected B-CLL patient.
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replied September 6th, 2013
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Regarding the article that I posted, "HTLV in Seronegative B Chronic Lymphocytic Leukemia Patient", let's go over the points of the article:

1. The patient was serogenative for HTLV.
2. Rats injected with the patients cells developed HTLV antibodies.
3. The patient died from sepsis, a common death for HTLV patients, same cause of death as Doctor Bob.

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replied September 6th, 2013
But he was positive for htlv by pcr
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replied September 6th, 2013
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Only positive using tax primers, so that means the the standard HTLV antibody and PCR tests weren't positive, just like in our case.
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replied September 7th, 2013
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Familial transmission of human T-cell lymphotrophic virus: silent dissemination of an emerging but neglected infection.

Authors
da Costa CA, Furtado KC, Ferreira Lde S, Almeida Dde S, Linhares Ada C, Ishak R, Vallinoto AC, de Lemos JA, Martins LC, Ishikawa EA, de Sousa RC, de Sousa MS.
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PLoS Negl Trop Dis. 2013 Jun 13;7(6):e2272. doi: 10.1371/journal.pntd.0002272. Print 2013 Jun.

Affiliation
Ncleo de Medicina Tropical, Universidade Federal do Par, Belm, Par, Brazil.

Abstract
BACKGROUND: HTLV-1 is a retrovirus that causes lymphoproliferative disorders and inflammatory and degenerative diseases of the central nervous system in humans. The prevalence of this infection is high in parts of Brazil and there is a general lack of public health care programs. As a consequence, official data on the transmission routes of this virus are scarce.

OBJECTIVE: To demonstrate familial aggregation of HTLV infections in the metropolitan region of Belm, Par, Brazil.

METHOD: A cross-sectional study involving 85 HTLV carriers treated at an outpatient clinic and other family members. The subjects were tested by ELISA and molecular methods between February 2007 and December 2010.

RESULTS: The prevalence of HTLV was 43.5% (37/85) for families and 25.6% (58/227) for the family members tested (95% CI: 1.33 to 3.79, P=0.0033). Sexual and vertical transmission was likely in 38.3% (23/60) and 20.4% (29/142) of pairs, respectively (95% CI: 1.25 to 4.69, P=0.0130). Positivity was 51.3% (20/39) and 14.3% (3/21) in wives and husbands, respectively (95% CI: 0.04 to 0.63, P=0.0057). By age group, seropositivity was 8.0% (7/8Cool in subjects <30 years of age and 36.7% (51/139) in those of over 30 years (95% CI: 0.06 to 0.34, P<0.0001). Positivity was 24.1% (7/29) in the children of patients infected with HTLV-2, as against only 5.8% (4/69) of those infected with HTLV-1 (95% CI: 0.05 to 0.72, P=0.0143).

CONCLUSION: The results of this study indicate the existence of familial aggregations of HTLV characterized by a higher prevalence of infection among wives and subjects older than 30 years. Horizontal transmission between spouses was more frequent than vertical transmission. The higher rate of infection in children of HTLV-2 carriers suggests an increase in the prevalence of this virus type in the metropolitan region of Belm.

PMID 23785534 [PubMed - in process]
PMCID PMC3681619 Free Full Text
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replied September 7th, 2013
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[Human T-cell lymphotropic virus in family members of seropositive blood donors: silent dissemination].

Authors
Catalan-Soares B, Carneiro-Proietti AB, Proietti FA; Grupo Interdisciplinar de Pesquisas em HTLV.
Journal
Rev Panam Salud Publica. 2004 Dec;16(6):387-94. Article in Portuguese.

Affiliation
Fundao Hemominas, Belo Horizonte (MG), Brazil. pesquisa@hemominas.mg.gov.br

Abstract
OBJECTIVE: To investigate human T-cell lymphotropic virus transmission among family members of asymptomatic carriers identified through blood donor screening tests; and to determine the most likely direction of transmission in sexual partners having the same (concordant) serological diagnosis.

METHODS: Between March 1997 and June 2003 the relatives and steady sexual partners of seropositive, asymptomatic blood donors were investigated for the presence of human T-cell lymphotropic virus type I and II. Diagnosis was based on enzyme-linked immunoassay and Western blot. To determine the direction of transmission, demographic and behavioral data were obtained through questionnaires. All participants lived in the metropolitan region of Belo Horizonte capital of the state of Minas Gerais, Brazil.

RESULTS: The overall prevalence of infection with human T-cell lymphotropic virus type was 25.9% among 352 relatives of 343 seropositive patients. The prevalence rates in mothers, sexual partners, and children of seropositive donors were 36.6% (15/41), 35.9% (42/117), and 17.5% (34/194), respectively. The demographic and behavioral data obtained suggest greater efficiency of male-to-female transmission.

CONCLUSION: The observed prevalence rates suggest there is familial aggregation of human T-cell lymphotropic virus infection. The main transmission mode was horizontal (sexual). It is important to identify the presence of the virus in family members of infected individuals, even if they are asymptomatic. Doing so may lead to a better understanding of how the virus spreads and more efficient measure for preventing disease transmission.
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replied September 8th, 2013
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Thanks all for the useful information. I noticed that my resting heart rate is 90-95. This is quite a bit higher than the average population. I used a telephone app to count and also did it by counting myself. Anyone else who also experiences this?
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replied September 9th, 2013
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M,

I can't say that my resting heart rate is that high, since I donate blood regularly, my pulse is taken and recorded. However I do feel that my breathing is heavier since after my illness, perhaps a light form of aveolitis.

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replied September 9th, 2013
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Tony, how often are u donating blood? Obviously your blood tests are norm if they are taking more from you..
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replied September 9th, 2013
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WK,

If you're been reading my posts about undetectable HTLV, you'll realize that it doesn't matter how many times I get tested with the standard HTLV. I appreciate you trying to use logic, but our situation is not logical. If I find a doctor who's will to inject my blood into a rat & then see that rat develop HTLV, will you believe me then that we all have HTLV?

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replied September 9th, 2013
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Have you thought of testing for klepselie bacteria.

It could be the reason for all this.
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replied September 9th, 2013
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Hello tony I don’t understand what am going through and when it is going to stop. I made one mistake and this is where I am today. I had a promising future with 2 lovely kids and thousands who looked up to me. How can a virus be so deadly? One time exposure from saliva and that is all.
Even HIV is not that unforgiving. I have fungal infection and so many other issues.
But I have noticed that antifungals help a lot. I have been taking 2 tablets daily. The lady that passed this to me keeping denying and saying she is not sick. She has done hiv test 2 times with but always negative.
If this virus is this contagious how come everyone does not have it yet?
I just hate myself so much for what I have done to my son. He has started getting infections on his head and also he is irritable and always angry. I wish I can just reverse the hand of the clock. I have never ever cheated on till this one time and it was done out of anger.
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replied September 9th, 2013
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Same here - done out of anger. Bad decision for us both, under bad conditions.
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replied September 9th, 2013
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Hi Friends,

I don't think it is a htlv. because htlv should no symptoms or less symptoms.

Can anyone update on this?
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replied September 9th, 2013
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Tony, why are you donating blood? Aren't you jeopardizing other people by doing so? I wanted to start donating blood lately, but I am afraid that I will make the person ill with my blood.

Thanks.

All the best.
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replied September 9th, 2013
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M,

Im being told by doctors that there's nothing wrong with me and that I need to see a psychiatrist. What side of the insanity would you like me to be on? Where I argue with them that I am still sick? Should I go see the psychiatrist? Can I inject the psychiatrist with my own blood to prove that I am not crazy? We're all in this together, and we are all having the same thoughts, I've seen that from reading everyone's posts.

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replied September 9th, 2013
Sorry if i have not answered some people in this thread i have not had time lately been busy abroad.

Just curious if you people tried mms claims have been done that it can cure hiv/aids in 3 weeks , but i have not read so much about it treating htlv.

Stay strong all
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replied September 9th, 2013
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I still have a loose stool almost everyday and sometime i will have it 3 times daily this is crazy man. I also have uncomfortable with my mouth where it is always dry and lack of saliva. My baby lassion is still there even i already put cream on him evryday it almost 2 month now but the lassion wont go.

Is there any doctor in this forum that would like to help us? We all really need help or not we just keep sperading this virus to every one especially our love ones. I already give it to my wife and my baby. I also donate blood that i dont know who will catch it.

Psychtrist dr always tell that there is no virus in me but the symtomp tell me the difrent storey. I think someday i will be in the mental hospital. Now i just keep thinking to spread this late HIV virus to evryone.

I wanted to donate blood monthly like tony. I also wanted to do unprotected sex with evryone i know. I just want evryone to share this suffering with. There is no treatment for us this world is not fair anymore.
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replied September 10th, 2013
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Hassan,

I agree that this is not fair to us for there to be no treatment and for no one to care. And people have been put into a mental hospital for having this, and they don't deserve that. I'm very sorry for you, your family, and all of us.

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replied September 10th, 2013
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A model-based estimate of HIV infectivity via needle sharing.

Authors
Kaplan EH, Heimer R.
Journal
J Acquir Immune Defic Syndr. 1992;5(11):1116-8.

Affiliation
Yale School of Organization and Management, New Haven, CT 06520.

Abstract
Critical to understanding the spread of the human immunodeficiency virus via needle sharing among drug users is the infectivity, i.e., the conditional probability of infection given injection with a shared, contaminated syringe. A simple mathematical model was constructed that relates infectivity to the prevalence of infection in needles used by drug users, the mean shared injection frequency among drug users, the probability that a needle is disinfected prior to use, and the mean AIDS incubation time. Three of these parameters have been estimated using data from the New Haven, Connecticut legal needle exchange program. Using the polymerase chain reaction to test for the presence of HIV proviral DNA in a sample of returned needles, we determined that 67.5% were HIV positive. We were able to estimate shared injection rates and disinfection rates from surveys of drug users enrolled in the needle exchange and our syringe tracking system. Current estimates of the mean AIDS incubation time are available in the literature. Our model implies that the probability of infection per injection with a contaminated syringe equals 0.0067, which is slightly higher than the transmission probabilities of 1/300 to 1/200 estimated from needlestick studies, and a factor of 3 higher than estimates of the probability of HIV transmission per vaginal sex act from a infected man to an uninfected woman.
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replied September 10th, 2013
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So what the conclusion of the study DW? We still have the HIV sytomp there is only HIV that could lead all of this sytomp there is no such other thing similar like this. Dr just want we to do antibody test to letgo the anxeity but HIV is still in our blood but they cannot trace it even with PCR viral load test. I do all the test and all came back negative but the sytomp still going and now my wife and baby have it too because the stupid Dr tell nothing wrong with me. So i will spread this virua to everyone until the Dr. Will care about it.
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replied September 10th, 2013
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The study model implies that the probability of infection per injection with a contaminated syringe equals 0.0067, which is slightly higher than the transmission probabilities of 1/300 to 1/200 estimated from needlestick studies, and a factor of 3 higher than estimates of the probability of HIV transmission per vaginal sex act from a infected man to an uninfected woman.
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replied September 13th, 2013
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I'm more concerned that more than two-thirds of the needles tested contained detectable HIV. Too bad they don't do studies like that for HTLV, which is as rampant as HIV in IV drug users.

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