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Posted: 08-21-08 16:28pm

I used to work in a hospital. Pharm companies would come in & sponsor a nice catered lunch. A physician would arrive and provide a 20-30 minute talk on the properties of the drug. The physicians were paid thousands of dollars for this service. One was paid $5000 for a 20 minute talk.

The dispensaries stock the medications and prescriptions increase. Pharm companies sponsor vacations, outings, special events, etc. and people are rewarded handsomely for their patronage.

There were programs such as 'prescribe X amount, get a trip to Y'.

It's not the interest of the goodwill of humanity pharmaceutical companies are developed and drugs are marketed. It is about lining the pocketbook.

That is the reality, and I would not trust my health to someone looking to spend a weekend in Aruba.
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Posted: 08-21-08 20:15pm

Well said, Birch!

WW: Once people become informed, if for whatever reason they still choose to make poor decisions, then that is on them. And yes, the industry is more than happy be there for those people who place themselves at its mercy. But when patients are purposely kept in the dark about better alternatives (safer, more effective, & far less expensive), and are fed medical propaganda for the sake of profit then that is EVIL. Everyone has a right to hear the truth, at least once!

And concerning transplants, much of the need for transplants is the result of organs (i.e., liver & kidneys) that have been ruined because of the harsh effects of sulfa drugs & other synthetic, unnatural, 'prescription' meds!
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Posted: 08-21-08 21:29pm

urine is therapeutic??? are you serious? would someone please take one minute to explain to me how something that is purposely EXPELLED from your body..meaning your body didn't need it(otherwise the complicated urinary system would have saved it..as it already does through the process of urine production) can be therapeutic?? If your body needs it..it will save it..it happens in the process of making the urine...which is complicated and i'd rather not get into it
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Posted: 08-21-08 21:37pm

so...do you believe in vaccinations or are those evil too? think how far medicine has come through the years and how many lives have been saved because of it and how many diseases have been prevented..yes money is always an issue yes people want to make money but not everyone is "evil" as you say and will prescribe something just for a vacation...and yet again my question goes unanswered...

lets say you're diagnosed with cancer tomorrow..you certainly wouldn't be going to the evil money sucking doctors for a word of wisdom...pffftt NOOOO 8 years of schooling but what do they know! they've been brainwashed by money....so...what do you do tobeyjoe...what would you prescribe yourself? and what happens when you're in agonizing pain...??? no tylenol for you...no no...bc that isn't natural...so what do you do? smoke some weed or something? thats natural right?
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Posted: 08-22-08 02:28am

About two or three years ago my daughter had a cold which affected her left eye. When I took her to the doctor, he prescribed eye drops that cost me R98.00 for 5ml!!! That’s a teaspoon full. Twenty four hours later it was cleared up. Later a reflexologist told me to just put a drop of breast milk in her eye the next time it happens. When I later told the doctor this he admitted that he knew about this.
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Posted: 08-22-08 09:16am

Thanks, Beline -- I rest my case!

WW: This article, "7 Lies Your Doctor is Telling You," addresses the insulin/chemo etc. issue:
http: //www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?A rtNum=47744

If I need healing, I will have to be very desperate to seek it through unnatural means. But I have no interest in any "therapy" which is worse than the disease itself!
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Posted: 08-24-08 09:58am

I think we only need to watch the discovery health channel to realize that medicine is important unless you are okay with dying sooner. Yes pharmas work by money but so does everybody. It's how the economy works. What they need to do is deliver good products. The better the product the better the profit. Even this website, they are not doing charity here. The owner gets paid by everytime you click on any of the ads. The more people in site the higher they can charge for ads. All the banners have a price. If the link drives you to a store they will get profit of the sale. Is this bad? No, they are delivering a good product, a good health forum so they deserve the profit. And this exactly how pharmas work.
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Posted: 08-24-08 12:16pm

worrywart01 wrote:
urine is therapeutic??? are you serious? would someone please take one minute to explain to me how something that is purposely EXPELLED from your body..meaning your body didn't need it(otherwise the complicated urinary system would have saved it..as it already does through the process of urine production) can be therapeutic?? If your body needs it..it will save it..it happens in the process of making the urine...which is complicated and i'd rather not get into it


Look into urotherapy, ww. From the American Cancer society: http://www.cancer.org/docroot/ETO/conten t/ETO_5_3X_Urotherapy.asp
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Posted: 08-24-08 12:22pm

worrywart01 wrote:
so...do you believe in vaccinations or are those evil too? think how far medicine has come through the years and how many lives have been saved because of it and how many diseases have been prevented..yes money is always an issue yes people want to make money but not everyone is "evil" as you say and will prescribe something just for a vacation...and yet again my question goes unanswered...

lets say you're diagnosed with cancer tomorrow..you certainly wouldn't be going to the evil money sucking doctors for a word of wisdom...pffftt NOOOO 8 years of schooling but what do they know! they've been brainwashed by money....so...what do you do tobeyjoe...what would you prescribe yourself? and what happens when you're in agonizing pain...??? no tylenol for you...no no...bc that isn't natural...so what do you do? smoke some weed or something? thats natural right?


There is a reason they are called "practicing" physicians. Doctors are not omnipotent, and in this information age one is capable of looking up the same information they have.

Tobyjoe, have you heard about the benefits of a raw diet?
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Posted: 08-24-08 21:27pm



"Individuals have reported that drinking or injecting urine or applying it directly to the skin is safe and not linked to any harmful side effects, but the safety of these practices has not been established by scientific studies. There have been reports of nausea, vomiting, upset stomach, and diarrhea after drinking one’s own urine, especially during the first few days.

Relying on this type of treatment alone, and avoiding or delaying conventional medical care, may have serious health consequences."

This is the final conclusion of that article.

Birch it's like the red yeast rice story and cholesterol. They discovered that red yeast rice contains "statins" and that's why it was lowering cholesterol in patients taking it. What happened? Now red yeast rice production in supplements has been modified to be "statin-free" so that statins are only controlled by the pharma drug companies. What concerned the medical world was what if someone takes more red yeast rice than he should and overdose on the amount of statins? Wouldn't it be better to be able to control the amount of statins you are taking? Just food for thought. I thought it was interesting as I have to deal with hereditary high blood cholesterol (meaning even if I eat perfect diet I still have to deal with high cholesterol).
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worrywart01 wrote:
urine is therapeutic??? are you serious? would someone please take one minute to explain to me how something that is purposely EXPELLED from your body..meaning your body didn't need it(otherwise the complicated urinary system would have saved it..as it already does through the process of urine production) can be therapeutic?? If your body needs it..it will save it..it happens in the process of making the urine...which is complicated and i'd rather not get into it


Look into urotherapy, ww. From the American Cancer society: http://www.cancer.org/docroot/ETO/conten t/ETO_5_3X_Urotherapy.asp
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Posted: 08-30-08 10:35am

haha ok..there is absolutely nothing..that is going to convince me that drinking your urine is beneficial..so the next time you go to the bathroom to take a crap u gonna eat that too?? bc thats "natural" waste that your body doesn't need Rolling Eyes ..though I would imagine lots of bacteria would be in that...still..my point is..if your body needed whatever was in your urine..you wouldn't have produced the urine..read up on the urinary system, the urine is filtered through your body..the goods are absorbed and what your body doesn't need is expelled... and very well put nightangel i agree...now..if you people want to drink your urine and such...have fun..i on the other hand prefer to flush it as waste...which is why my body made it urine...and I will say that physicians have been in school MANY MANY years and have dedicated their life to this so called "practice"...they know way more than the average person...but theres no convincing you people...so i'm guessing those of you saying drugs and doctors are evil and such dont take tylenol? did you know that bayer has helped in preventing heart attacks sinch it is a blood thinner? but go ahead..have your heart attack...if a doctor prescribes me something..yes I may ask questions..its YOUR responsibility to stay informed and ask these questions...
can I ask you how you feel about penicillan? that was a MAJOR breakthrough in medicine for its time...would you have not taken it when back in the day that was used in many cures? NO..how silly of me..you would have just grown your own culture right?
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Posted: 09-08-08 23:49pm

I figure that it can probably be cured with genetic engineering. Take the section of DNA from a bacteria that can disguise itself from your white blood cells by giving off the signal of a normal body cell and place it in the DNA structure of uneffected T-cells, then grow those new cells and inject them in the body and let them go to work. Maybe they can hide themselves as red blood cells or something.

Just an idea
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Posted: 09-09-08 01:03am

but HIV is not a bacteria..its a retrovirus that directly effects the immune system...these "signals" you speak of, i think you're referring to the receptors? i think you would somehow have to alter the cell receptor to prevent the virus from attaching..i dont understand the part where you said they can hide themselves as red blood cells...i dont get how that would be possible
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Posted: 09-09-08 18:40pm

There has been advance in hiv research.

http://www.news-medical.ne t/?id=41311
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