I have always said we are fighting something that we cannot see with the human eyes! It angers me off and if there was a safe way of eliminating the virus without killing the host, then I would be there 24/7 killing the virus. Alas, there is no such a thing that I know of.

Always
Mson

Viruses are interesting like that. All they are is a strand of floating DNA. You can say they are the thing between life and no life. Amazingly they can be mighty powerful and mighty deadly.

viruses are not living and thus cannot be killed...i dont believe nuking will do much unfortunately

Are you sure they are not living? The viruses?

Muthoni (Mson)

no..they aren't living...they are just strands of dna that integrate and replicate using our cells...thats why once you have a virus you cant get rid of it you can only suppress the symptoms the virus causes...for example the herpes virus...you cant get rid of herpes but you can go days, weeks, months maybe even years without an outbreak..its still in your body though..but its in a dormant phase

I am so sick of medical propaganda and disinformation. It is simply not true that the body cannot be cleansed of viruses. Big Pharma runs the show, & they want to keep everyone on as many drugs as possible as long as they live! Antiretrovirals are toxic, and should be avoided as there are much better alternatives. There are several herbs which kill viruses quite effectively, such as astragalus, dong quai, & olive leaf extract. Also, when used with natural vitamin E which you get from almonds or sunflower seeds, the mineral selenium is as powerful as any "nuclear bomb" you could possibly use against not only HIV, but also many forms of cancer! (You will get enough selenium from eating just one brazil nut every day.) Simple spices such as garlic & oregano also stop viruses dead in their tracks. White or green tea & a healthy vegetarian-based diet are a foundation for your immune system. Also important is, beets & lemons cleanse the liver, & empower the body's immune system to shake off diseases of all kinds.

It is also important to avoid sugar -- just 1 can of soda contains 10 tablespoons of sugar, & will depress the immune system for 3 hours! Also avoid most fast food, pork, & artificial/chemical sweeteners.

If you do these things, in just a few months if not weeks you will be what they call "undetectable." That is just another way of saying "CURED," although the medical establishment never wants to use that word.

HPV infections are showing an increasing incidence of disappearance.

Welcome to the forum! I share your beliefs about sugar and pharmaceutical companies.

WHOA! Okay Tobyjoe, do I understand you correctly? You are saying that it might be possible to cure HIV by taking the above mentioned foods? (Sorry, I comfortably hide behind the fact that English is my second language, but actually I’m just a little daft)
Is there any proof of this? Studies been done?
Don’t get me wrong: I’m not attacking you. It’ll just be the best news ever as my best friend is HIV positive.

Beline: I notice from your post that you are from South Africa. You should know that in your very nation, the national minister of health has for several years expressed skepticism of antiretrovirals and strongly advocated dietary remedies, i.e., garlic, beets and lemon -- but NO antiretroviral drugs!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte nt/article/2007/02/27/AR2007022700284.html

YES, we have totally been sold a bill of goods about HIV/AIDS, & it is all in the interest of generating profit for the pharmaceutical companies. Like most every other prescription drug, AZT is dangerously toxic. Virodene is a poisonous industrial solvent. Your friend will be much better off with a strict diet, healthier habits, and an excellent multivitamin with other strategic supplements to boost the immune system naturally.

Also recommended are ginger, cayenne, cinnamon, soy sauce, spinach, onion, yams, cruciferous vegetables, Italian dressing, honey, apples, bananas, melons, 100% grape juice, and last but not least, pure aloe vera juice. Eat organically as much as possible!

I do have heard of a natural program like this to help patients with Hep C. Artichokes are also very beneficial as they make your liver produce bile which takes away the toxins out of your body. Staying away from stress is also very important. I find it very challenging to live this much healthy when organic stuff for one is pretty expensive. It takes a lot of discipline too. I always try to do my best.

Well, don't I feel like a complete ass now!! Thanks, Tobeyjoe. I'll pass this info on to my friend.
Btw: does this mean he'll have to go off his meds? (Detoxing)

Angel: Yes organic produce & shopping at health food stores can be quite costly, but have you checked out the prices of a lot of these meds??

Beline: That would be a decision he would have to make on his own. Coming off the meds requires a commitment to consistent dietary discipline & a radical change of habits. It also requires a physician's supervision to properly taper off the meds. Even if he were already undetectable I would not recommend stopping them abruptly, especially if he has been maintained on them for years. I do not mean to minimize the seriousness of HIV in any way. It is an opportunistic infection & can take hold & kill him within a year if he fails to act wisely.

I took a look at your profile and it doesn’t say much. Are you American? I’m asking because my friend is. You’ve mentioned ‘an excellent multivitamin with other strategic supplements’. Could you possibly pm me that name of one that you would recommend?

Another obstacle would be finding a physician that would support his decision, right? Argh! This guy means the world to me, but it seems so risky to try this..

Beline: I have added to my profile just for you, Beline! The multivite I personally use is, "Source of Life for Men." I have little more to add to the above except for the healing power of fasting & prayer, both of which have been clinically proven to yield amazing results! Also, meditation, exercise, humor, & a positive attitude are all therapeutic.

If he has interest in the services of an N.M.D. (naturopathic physician), they can be found in most U.S. states in this directory: http://heartspring.net/naturopathic_direct ory.html

I think the best approach is to try this kind of natural programs along with medications and see if that helps. You should see the viral loads improving. Then go from there. That's what I would do.

These foods you eat are no magical cure...it only gives your body its best natural defense which is only so strong..I do agree that sugars and such can supress your immune system but I dont think that anyone with a disease should expect that just from changing their diet their disease will miraculously go away especially if its a virus...and unfortunately YES it is true that a virus is with you until you die...a virus is not living..therefore cannot be killed...the symptoms the virus causes can be suppressed making you believe the virus is "gone"...but it really isn't...so actually in a case of aids you aren't being given medications to rid the virus you are more than likely being prescribed immune system boosters and pills to aid your body in defense since aids attacks the immune system..telling someone with aids to eat an orange wont help for long...I agree diet can be HUGE in remaining healthy but I also think that drugs should be used in moderation when the body cannot defend itself

Careful what you wish for, hey? I just basically wanted to know your profession and I came across what has happened to your wife. I’m so sorry to hear about that, Tobeyjoe. I’m sure you are an amazing father to your two daughters. You are in my prayers.

As far as the virus is concerned: if it is undetectable, does it mean that you are cured? You said ‘It is simply not true that the body cannot be cleansed of viruses’. Or does it mean that it is just in remission, and you should still be very careful of what you eat? (and of course your lifestyle).
Also: what are the side effects of antiretrovirals?

Worrywart, don’t you think that it would be better to stop taking meds because of the side effects (or rather wean yourself under supervision) if a healthy lifestyle does the same thing?

I’m sorry for bombarding you guys with all these questions. I’ve just only realized how pitifully little I know about the virus. I’ve always just focused on how not to get infected and not educating myself on treatments and the characteristics of the virus. That coming for a South African who lives in a country where 1 out of every three women are HIV positive. Shame on me!

You are right about that worrywart. Like I have the hpv virus undetectable (dormant stage). Doesn't mean the virus is gone but the virus has integrated into my DNA in a way that when the cells on my cervix multiply they don't harm me. That's called I developed inmunity to the virus. Now the hpv strain I have is of low risk strenght that way I easily developed inmunity, this is not the case for high risk strains of the virus or highly dangerous virus like hep C or hiv.

The lady I read with hep C who tried natural program had hep C type I, the most dangerous where chemotherapy has little to no chance of working. She got nothing to loose by trying it. After years of going completetly natural she was only getting the viral loads greatly improved but not to undetectable levels. But at the levels she reached at least she wouldn't get sick.

Thank you so much, Beline. Just like with cancer cells -- Every one of us has them in our bodies. However, with proper care & nutrition usually the body combats these free radicals so that they do not overtake us to the point that we develop a deadly tumor. But we have medical tyranny in the U.S., & if a physician attempts to treat cancer with anything instead of surgery, radiation & chemo, he/she is subject to losing their license!

WW: Herbs such as garlic & astragalus are antivirals, & are indeed capable of neutralizing/deactivating viruses. While organic produce may not "cure" per se, what it does is to empower the liver & other organs to function at optimal levels so the body can contain & overwhelm the virus. Fear is a powerful tool, & it is used not only by religion but also by the medical realm. A good deal of what is commonly believed is the result of successful propaganda. Big Pharma wants to frighten us into thinking that HIV will eventually kill everyone who contracts it, & so infected persons need to be on drugs for the rest of their natural-born days -- NOT! However, in cases where the body is in a debilitated condition & is therefore susceptible to the progression of the virus, then in such cases yes it may be wise to also use the meds for a while.

Angel: I understand that not only flu viruses but even the bacteria that cause colds never fully "leave" the body. (There are many strains of colds, & you can never get the same one twice!) However, if these organisms have been rendered powerless & incapable of manifesting themselves, then the body has effectively been cleansed!