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Q: Bipolar symptoms in daughter
asked by: MomSW on October 7th, 2008
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I am gonna try to make this as short as possible. But it is a very difficult story. I am the mother to a 19 year old college student. I have been married to a man for 15 years and we have been together for 17 years, we have a son together. So there are four of us. My children are 2 ˝ years apart. My daughters father has never been apart of her life until now, but I will further explain. I have always been a hands on mother and very attentive to their needs.
We noticed problems with my daughter about the age of 8 that she was having trouble with school and some of her friends but nothing really dramatic. My son was a gifted kid, but my daughter struggled. My husband and I did what we could to show her that she could do anything, we gave her a lot of attention. About 9-10 she started being very bad, her school work was suffering, she was talking back to the teaches, she was lying, she was almost uncontrollable. I am an old school mom, with old school ways, punishments and spankings. She hated most of the kids in school. She was very irritable and moody. Eight years ago it was so bad that my husband slapped her one day for talking back to me. I put her on punishment. A few days later her and my son called to tell me what she said was a secret. She told me that my husband touched her. I told them I was on my way. Enroute my son calls to me that she lied about it because she wanted him gone from the house, he slapped her and she was mad. I told my son not to worry and I would handle it I was on my way. I get there and she explains that he touched her and she was upset. I said okay and we went downstairs, of course I contacted my husband and told him he better get home. I confronted him on the phone then before my son called to tell me what she said. She did confess that she lied and that she was angry with my husband for slapping her. We then discussed with her did she know exactly what she was saying and what could happen. We had a very long talk with her about the magnitude of it all. She understood, but it did disturb us. Before this her teacher had contacted us to tell us that she had written some letters about her and friends, and me. That she wanted to kill us and why she hated all of us. The teacher gave them to us but I threw them out. We decided to send her to a therapist. She would go every other week. After about 4 months the doctor asked to have her tested for ADD, I talked with her teacher and my husband and we decided against it. (Big Mistake). I didn’t want the label, the medicine, I just didn’t want it for my daughter. But I found later she was even lying to the counselor about things. So I took her out of therapy and just tried, along with my husband to work with her ourselves. We did and from then on it seemed things worked out better. My husband retired and was able to listen to my daughter when she needed someone to talk to. My husband and my daughter were bonding, although she still had friend problems, school problems. In the 7th grade we had her see the school counselor. Her and her brothers relationship was never close but what siblings were. She continued to see different counselors and continued to struggle in school. She continued through the years to be very moody, extreme moodiness. But my husband and I made a pact to always be there for her and talk to her and calm her down. She was always very angry as a child.
Now she is in college. My husband and I loved that she was going but I still had doubts about her making it in school but we encouraged her and also encouraged her to get counseling at school. She had horrible disagreements with friends and also with teachers who would not give her good grades. I was so upset one night she called me ranting and raving, like she was going to snapp, I started to drive to her school in my pajamas. My husband and I finally calmed her down at 2 in the morning by talking to her. We were the only ones that could talk to her. 2nd semester began and one month into the semester she became argumentative with me and we would have it out. The next month she told me that she had been in counseling and that she was sexually abused by my husband. She said she knew that she lied but it really happened. I was very upset. That all went into she would come home and talk to us about it – to calling and telling my father to telling everyone at school and their parents to calling DCFS because my son is 16. All in a matter of 5 days. I was completely devasted. My family is torn apart. My father hates my husband, mother mother semi hates my husband, my brother is supportive of my husband. My sister believed my daughter until she started seeing and hearing things for herself and 3 months later apologized to me, my husband and my son. DCFS of course cleared my husband and told me that I should think about getting my daughter some help because when she talked to her, her stories were very inconsistent with what was reported. Also over the months I have found from three different people that she gave 3 different stories of what took place with my husband. I have letters and birthday and fathers day cards with things of loving and appreciating my husband, with her telling people in my family that he has always been a great father better than her biological father and now she spends time with him and I couldn’t get her to do that before. Me, my husband and my son are in therapy. I am now a basket case but doing better. My therapist is the one that said it sounds like she is bipolar. I starting researching and everything they say it describes my daughter as a child and now. She is a different person, she is distant with certain ones in the family. People she hated, she now likes and the people she liked, she hates now. I am still trying to understand. My mother doesn’t understand. My father doesn’t want to, her father has mental history in his family-his sister and he wont listen to me. What do I do and how do I get her to get help, the right help. Her counselor at school is not seeing her but because she thinks it is abuse, she says she is the way she is because of abuse and has since sent her to an abuse group. I have asked that she get help but she thinks nothing is wrong with her. As a mom you go back in your head to see if you missed something in the past and the only thing I have missed is to not give her the proper treatment she needed and all the different episodes she has experienced. Any suggestions, any help, I just want my daughter back.
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Torwadeo
replied on October 7th, 2008
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I am sorry about your situation, but I would suggest that you try being your daughters friend now instead of a parent. It sounds like she had a rough childhood. IMO there is no reason to ever hit a child. I don't know if it causes any emotional damage, but to me its just wrong to hit anyone.
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Jessika
replied on October 7th, 2008
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Mom SW:

You need to find a Clinical Psychologist, preferbly one that deals with biopolar or Personality Disorders so your daughter can be properly diagnosed. DO NOT send her to any more "counselors" who are not educated enough to deal with this problem. Bipolar Disorder and other Personality Disorder's affect the entire family, but your daughter needs immediate attention. I would ask if she sleeps at night or is up days at a time? A tall tale sign of bipolar and a manic stage. She may just have a personality disorder. Either way DON'T WAIT. get her to someone qualified fast. Good luck!
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MomSW
replied on October 7th, 2008
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I have tried to get her help but my parents aren't helping, her father isnt helping and she does not think she needs any help. She has had the sleep for 2 or 3 hours all the way to sleeping all day and cant seem to get it together. It has been very hard for my family. I just need the right advice and maybe suggestions as to how maybe I can get my daughter some help. A mother knows there child. As of now she is in college not doing what she needs to but passing and not getting proper treatment.
Thank you for the replies.

**I am sorry for the first sentence of my initial post, I dont know how that happened.
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MomSW
replied on October 7th, 2008
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Also I have tried to be my daughters friend since this has happened, a lot of lying and a lot of betrayal has hurt us.
Also my daughter and I relationship in the past- we have always been like sisters. We talked about everything. I just dont know what happened. It is liked she has snapped. We are just beginning to form a relationship again because I have reached out to her. I am trying. I am trying hard. I just dont know where else to turn.
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NightStar
replied on October 8th, 2008
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If she is bipolar the next step is to put her on medication so she stops having the outbursts. It can take months for a medication to work, so there is some hard times in store just waiting for the meds to work.

I am bipolar and I use to have outbursts when I was younger, doctors make mistakes sometimes, they put me on Prozac and that made me even more manic.

Need to be people that can observe her and tell the doctor what is going on, if you can keep a daily journal of her mood swings.
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antigone
replied on October 9th, 2008
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MomSW I know your pain. I have 2 children that have been diagnosed with bipolar disorder. You are in the awful situation of having an adult child that is in crisis and needs treatment but is lawfully able to deny getting treatment. This puts you between a rock and a hard place. Your daughter may reach a point in which she reaches out to you for help. This would allow you to help her get to a doctor, a psychiatrist. There is treatment for this disorder but there is no cure. Medications help to bring stability. Therapy can add another layer of behavioral control. This often helps to bring some stability to the life of someone that suffers with bipolar disorder. Your daughter is not willing to get any help right now. You can take this time to educate yourself about the disorder. Read and learn. Knowledge brings power so you need to empower yourself by reading as much as you can. I knew my son had bipolar disorder before he was diagnosed with the disorder. I had done quite a bit of reading and knew he fit the criteria for bipolar disorder. I continue to read and learn about this disorder. You may want to start with a book called "The Bipolar Child" by Dimitri Papalous, MD. It is considered by many the bible of pediatric bipolar disorder. This book has so much valuable information in it. It describes the behaviors of children with bipolar disorder and covers treatment options. It takes a candid look at the lives of families that deal with this devastating disorder. It offers hope. It is easy to read and will become a source of reference in the days and years to come - even into adulthood.
I wish I could offer you more. Keep the lines of communication open. I know this is difficult with a child that seems to hate you at the moment. She does not hate you. She can not figure out what is happening to her. She can not control the beast within and is a slave to the extreme moods. Ask her to go to a doctor with you. Ask her what will it hurt? Make the offer when she is calm and seems to be more together. Appeal to her with reason. Once you read about this disorder you will have a better working knowledge of how it affects the person with the disorder. This will allow you to appeal to your daughter with more empathy and understanding. I wish you all the best with your daughter. I hope you will keep us updated on how things are going.
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MomSW
replied on October 9th, 2008
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Thank you to all of whom have replied. As I am respond it is 2:15 in the morning and I can't sleep. I have just recently been in a really bad argument with my father and his wife of whom are keeping things between my daughter and I in a negative way. My fathers wife is an educator who think she knows my daughter. If I was an unattentive mother, I could probably see where they are coming from, but for people who know me, know the kind of mother I am. I keep posing to him that my daughter does not know why things are happening to her, she doesnt understand. I have read up on bipolar and cry because as a child she has had most of the warning signals that are mentioned.

To antigone, I am so grateful for your reply and will get the book you spoke of. I hurt soooooo much, I have never felt pain like this before. I did just read that I cant take it personal, which is hard but I am strong and I will fight for my daughter that is the only thing important to me, is that I can get her the help she needs, in the right environment. Thanks so much!!
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puzzld
replied on October 12th, 2008
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hi momSW. very sorry you are going through this... and have been. i have bp1 for many years. it wasn't until recently that i snapped all the way and, long story short, i went catatonic. it also wasn't until recently that i accepted the fact that i have bp. for over a decade multiple dr.'s have diagnosed me as having bp but i refused to believe them bc my brother is bp2 and i thought we were complete opposites. you can read more about my story on my profile. i am 33 now. i struggle for most of my adult life. i too acted the way that your daughter is acting though i never accused anyone of anything... well i did but the abuse actually happened. bp is genetic. this is not your fault in any way. sounds like you are doing everything you can do to help your daughter. keep fighting for her! i know you will =) everything will be OK if she gets proper treatment. good luck to you. puzzld
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MomSW
replied on January 10th, 2009
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Update to needing help for my daughter
Since, I have last posted, my daughter was kicked out of her apartment at school by her best freinds. They thought that she was a threat to them. Also one of the girls father called with concerns. They moved her to another dorm room. I have also spoken to her counselor, and she feels my daughter is bipolar as well. We have compared notes and find my daughter lying a lot and just doing things she wouldnt normally. WE have now convinced her to get evaluated and that will take place in another week. She has since had very bad episodes of anger and then episodes of being very depressed. All of this is still very surreal. My family is still totally torn apart but the best thing is that my daughter get some help. The bad part is my daughter is an adult and really I have to step back to a point, it frustrates me. I have also found out that her father was approached by his sisters, one of whom is bipolar, that he should get checked out for it. They have other relatives who are bipolar as well. This whole thing is so overwhelming to me as a mother.
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Stacie68
replied on April 21st, 2009
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How are things now?
I would love an update now. It's been nearly 3 and a half months since your last post. I hope and pray that she is now getting the help she needs. My ex-brother in law and nephew both suffer with this horrible illness, as do all the ex-BIL's uncles, brother, mother. He has had 2 uncles commit suicide as a result. It really can rip a family apart. My sister, like you, is a very strong person, and she has been tested to the very limits by this...as it is her ex's family curse and not hers. When the medications are working and they feel well, often they quit taking them (or in the case with my nephew and his dad). This has driven a very wonderful child to commit crimes and behave totally out of character. It's like there are 3 people in that one body...the manic, the depressed one, and the stable one. I always wonder, what is my nephew going to be like this month? If you read this, please update us!
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MomSW
replied on April 23rd, 2009
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To all who have viewed, this whole situation invoiving my daughter has been very difficult. But I am here to encourage love ones to try to hang in there. Fortunately for my family we are beginning to see light at the end of the tunnel. However, we are realistic that the light my dim here and there but are willing to work at it. Since my last post my daughter has been diagnosed with bipolar. She is on two different medications-4 pills a day. She has had suicidal thoughts at one point sending us into a frenzy. Also, we found that she is bulemic. Often binging and purging through extensive excercise. She has now allowed me to have communications with her therapist and psychiatrist. She has just as recently as two days ago expressed that she wants to come home. As a mother I could do nothing but cry. We all want her home to better look after her and help her. The only thing that helps is that she feels the need to accept what she has, and allow herself to be properly treated, hoping for a better life. For mothers, brothers, sister, dads, even step-parents stay encouraged, be encouraged. It is a long road.
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Willie45
replied on August 4th, 2009
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This is a little off subject but relatable. My sister (38 yo) is bipolar and has been such a pain in the A$$ to my parents. She is bullheaded and stubburn like my father which doesn't help. My dad can sometimes be harsh with his words, he can't help it, it's his style. She claims that family life growing up was a warzone and that her creative spirit was continously crushed by him. He was just being a realist. Sometime even too much so for my taste but I learned to take my father's words with a grain of salt. My sister never did and she would hide behind lies and delusions. She had her first major manic episode after she moved out (about 18 I think) and relationships have been rough ever since. My parents despirately trying to get her help and on the proper doses of medication only make her feel like she is being controlled by them. The lithium she takes (on her terms) she says makes her feel stolid and plain. (Nothing like the wild mental high of mania, I imagine)
Fast Forward to today, 4 major manic episodes later where she has to pretty much start over from scratch each time because she is awful with finances and my parents have had to locate her and get her to help each time it happens. This has been hardest on them because even though they do their best to help her and try and get her to take control of her life, they are painted to be the abusers in the situation. It is a no win situation and I am done with it. I want them so badly now to just write her off and be done with her as she is costing them a fortune in money and stress and nothing seems to change. Currently awaiting the aftermath of a current manic episode, I want to be completely done with her. It is an utterly hopeless situation. It would be one thing if she wanted to change the way she runs her life but the pattern of going off her meds, chasing a rediculous delusion, and then crashing face first and losing everything but not learning a lesson is old. I've lost hope. I hope you fair better.
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