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farmerted
on September 27th, 2008
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A typing machine no,a man who feel's there is a reason and a need to intervene into the mindset of American women YES!!
The Foreskin is there for a reason!
So many women complain that intercourse is painful,they don't enjoy sex ect..
The Foreskin glides inside itself,there's no friction there for there is no problem with lubrication during sex!
The sex act is a smooth and natural flow rather than a rapid pounding because the male has reduced sensation and need's more stimulation to archive the ultimate goal!
What more do I have to type???
I cant belive people,If the medical community decided that removing breast's was the cure for Breast cancer women would be outraged!!!!
Wake up People,A Foreskin IS normal!!!!!
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SmilesandSunshine
replied on September 27th, 2008
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Didnt say it was not NORMAL!

Don't get your panties in a freakin knot!

My boyfriend is un-cut I love it!

tadaa you are right there you go?

That what you wanted to hear.

YOU... ARE... RIGHT

Congratulations. You win nothing!

Done arguing about a mans penis.
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farmerted
replied on September 27th, 2008
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I didnt mean to piss you off but I just want everyone to know the truth!!
Thank You for the Congratulation and for the last comment,maybe other woman will read it and become aware of the damage that circumcision does :0)
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TLCTugger
replied on September 27th, 2008
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SmilesandSunshine wrote:
It all comes down to personal choice.


The penis owner's personal choice, you mean?

If there was a medical problem and the doctor said "circumcision or frenuloplasty?" that would be a parent's choice to make. When there is a normal healthy baby, you don't ask a doctor to amputate body parts, and any doctor who would has no commitment to the hipocratic oath.
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Bridget
replied on September 27th, 2008
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Ok, moving this to Parenting Debate...

Carry on.
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MikeH30
replied on September 30th, 2008
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never, it's should be the boy's decision, there is no benefit to doing it that early other then it's cheaper and the doctor can't be sued because he won't know what he's missing
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SmilesandSunshine
replied on September 30th, 2008
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Blah!
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TennTally
replied on October 2nd, 2008
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SmilesandSunshine wrote:
It all comes down to personal choice.

Yes, but who's personal choice? Doesn't the man that the baby will grow into have a say in the matter? I wish I had the choice. I would choose to not be circumcised.

Parents say it should be their choice to amputate a part of their baby's penis. I don't understand why any parent would put their child through that. A penis with a foreskin is just as easy to clean and care for as a circumcised penis. The best way to prevent AIDS is to use a condom or abstain. The cancer scare was just a scare.

Fortunately, more and more enlightened parents are realizing that circumcision is an unnecessary amputation.
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forheavensake
replied on February 21st, 2009
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what a load of crsp this all is - As my son's parent/guardian, I have the say and my son is going in to be snipped. My wife agrees its our choice and accepts my direction in this
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TennTally
replied on February 21st, 2009
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forheavensake wrote:
what a load of crsp this all is - As my son's parent/guardian, I have the say and my son is going in to be snipped. My wife agrees its our choice and accepts my direction in this

Glad to see we have some enlightened parents here NOT! Do you plan on tattooing your child, also? After all, you are his parent/guardian. Kids also have lots of ear infections, why not have his ears removed. Where do you draw the line? Cutting off a body part that is not diseased is cutting off a body part.
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motherofhighspiritedones
replied on February 23rd, 2009
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I chose not to circumsise my son. Partly because my husband is not and partly because I work in the medical field and know how unnecessary it is. It does not make one more prone to urinary tract infections, it does not raise the risk of STD's, etc. The only thing I would advise a parent to be mindful of is to not attempt to pull back the foreskin to clean under it until it can roll back on its own. It is a self-cleaning organ, much like the vagina. When it does roll back on its own, teach your child to properly wash it, either water and a washcloth or a mild soap and a washcloth, no scrubbing needed. Also, be aware of signs of phimosis and frenulem breve, both if caught early can be easily treated. If your son cannot fully retract his foreskin by the age of 6, take him to the pediatrician. My son had a small case of phimosis, which was easily treated by a cream. His foreskin was attached still to one side of his glans and that cream loosened up the last bit. Frenulem breve can be treated with a very simple, minor surgery that does not involve circumcision. I personally don't care what another parent decides to do, as I have no control over their choices, nor desire that control. I am just stating my own opinion.
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hooly
replied on May 2nd, 2009
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A new born child need not to be circumcised . If necessary you can practice precutioplasty
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aochriss
replied on May 6th, 2009
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Circumcision was started not only to stop masturbation, but also to make sex less enjoyable to the WOMAN.

There is no good reason to cut a healthy baby.
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Jinjer
replied on July 29th, 2009
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Circumcision was started for various reasons in various regions... It was a practice in Britain to treat STD sores that localized under the foreskin. It was started in Rome for cosmetic reasons. Started in Egypt and Africa as a rite of passage. In Korea... a ritual. All of these started long before America as a perceived tool to prevent masturbation. It's easy to pick and choose whatever reason you want to support your opinion.

Complications from circumcision are rare. It is proven that the older a male is when a circumcision is performed the more pain and complications there are. Yes, it is painful for the infant but the medical professionals recognize this and are trending toward prep. IE: numbing agents and pre medicating (Infant Tylenol/Advil) for pain control.

Most later in life circumcisions are performed secondary to complications. It's not like a man wakes up one morning and decides he is going to get cut for the heck of it.

BTW, you can die from a UTI. Many UTI are not symptomatic and go systemic before they get treated. Much like the example of an above poster about the little boy with brain damage from a systemic infection. Again, a rare occurrence. Studies have shown that circumcision can aid in preventing these as well as HPV, AIDS, Cancer and other diseases. Not just in men but in their female partners. Cleanliness is an issue. Teaching cleanliness is a must. However, there are those occasions when it just doesn't happen or in some cases where a man just physically cannot do it. IE: a man with arthritis in his hands that prevent him from even holding a cup little own retracting his foreskin and washing.

As mentioned previously, the foreskin produces fluids that aid in lubrication. There is a plus but that fluid also becomes what is know as smegma. That white, cheesy, smelly stuff around the glans under the foreskin.

There is no evidence that sex with an uncircumcised man is more enjoyable to a woman or visa verse. There is also no evidence that painful sex for a woman is due to circumcision. Not enough lubrication is more often a female hormone problem and has nothing to do with foreskin.

Female circumcision cannot even be compared to male. Cutting the penis off is the equivalent of female circumcision. Female is done to ensure the woman does not have orgasm or pleasurable sex. As far as cutting the labia... yes, the labia prevent and protect but still cannot be compared to foreskin. No foreskin does not leave an opening exposed for infection and whatnot like no labia would for a woman. As for cutting the breasts off to prevent cancer... we already do. The breasts have a proven function... feeding your child. The argument to do it in infancy and take that choice away... I guess if you are willing to take the benefit of breastfeeding away from your grandchildren you could make that choice at your daughter's birth. Again, cannot compare to foreskin.

As far as the infant not bonding and trust being lost... that one study was done in the 1980's and has since been modified in explanation. It now states that when the infant is returned to the mother he may be exhausted and stressed and may have some difficulty breast feeding or latching on immediately after. It is not proven anywhere in any medical study that a child remembers anything of their circumcision if it's done before they leave the hospital. Ask a 5 year old about his circumcision he had when he was 4 though and see what you get.

As far as the nerves in the foreskin... Men can argue with each other till they are blue in the face about which is more sexually pleasurable. Neither truly know what the other feels and I have heard arguments from both. I have actually heard men who had circumcisions later in life claim that sex is more pleasurable after the circumcision.

Those opposed to circumcision often use the word mutilation to slam their point home. That's like using the word sodomy to oppose anal sex or the N word to describe an African American. Strong words make strong statements but all mean the same thing.

Bottom line... IF you choose to have your infant circumcised it is best to have it done before you take him home. There are some medical risks and benefits but most are rare on both sides. Kind of like getting your child vaccinated for measles. The measles is pretty much obsolete but there is still the risk of contracting it.
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