General Debate Forum - Atheist Bus

Maddie34

replied on January 21st, 2009

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I would like for the religious advertisements to just stop rather than a beginning of a counter campaign. I'd imagine both would be equally annyoing.

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killbill

replied on January 21st, 2009

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tolerance

hows that for an idea?

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diamondsz

replied on January 21st, 2009

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Tolerance of all would be a great idea but we both know it won't happen even if their is alot of us who are tolerant of others.

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diamondsz

replied on February 19th, 2009

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Love the pic Homer, imagine that if religion didn't exist but god did, everyone would share the same god and everyone could still have their own beliefs.

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homerx

replied on February 19th, 2009

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diamondsz wrote:

Love the pic Homer, imagine that if religion didn't exist but god did, everyone would share the same god and everyone could still have their own beliefs.

exactly... luvcomp

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NeutralUsername

replied on February 19th, 2009

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diamondsz wrote:

Love the pic Homer, imagine that if religion didn't exist but god did, everyone would share the same god and everyone could still have their own beliefs.

Eventually, since many people will end up having the same kind of beliefs, they will want to get together and form a religion, even if they do believe in the same God.

Religion will always be around. There are MANY different religions in the world with beliefs in different gods. It's natural for people to form groups that share their similar beliefs.

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homerx

replied on February 19th, 2009

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true

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Birch

replied on February 22nd, 2009

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Aethists are in the same bus as any other person who believes they "know". Embrace agnosticism.

http://arts.cuhk.edu.hk/humftp/E-text/Russ ell/agnostic.htm

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NeutralUsername

replied on February 23rd, 2009

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Birch wrote:

Aethists are in the same bus as any other person who believes they "know". Embrace agnosticism.

http://arts.cuhk.edu.hk/humftp/E-text/Russ ell/agnostic.htm

No, atheists are just people who don't believe in god(s). They don't necessarily have to "know" anything. Some think they do. Some don't. There are different types of atheists since, you know, atheism isn't an actual religion. Well, even in religion, people may have different views from each other.

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Birch

replied on February 24th, 2009

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Atheists of whatever cut have a commonality -they profess a belief of X. Agnostics state they is no way to know if X is true- it is illogical to hold a "belief" if you cannot know if it is true.

The only logical choice is agnosticism.

*I know these are opinions. I understand that many believe the terms are not mutually exclusive. I have yet to read a compelling argument otherwise.

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NeutralUsername

replied on February 25th, 2009

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Birch wrote:

Atheists of whatever cut have a commonality -they profess a belief of X. Agnostics state they is no way to know if X is true- it is illogical to hold a "belief" if you cannot know if it is true.

The only logical choice is agnosticism.

*I know these are opinions. I understand that many believe the terms are not mutually exclusive. I have yet to read a compelling argument otherwise.

The only logical choice is agnoticism? Aren't you just like a Christian who says, "Embrace Christianity because it's the right way"? You have a commonality with religious people who think THEIR beliefs are the right ones. I don't care what other people believe. I also don't tell people that atheism is the right way to go.

I don't know what is so special about believing or disbelieving in god(s). I don't believe in god(s). It's as simple as that. There are lots of things I don't believe in and I do believe in. I also keep an open mind on certain things because I see both sides. I'm sure it's the same way with you. Do they even have specific names for people who believe, disbelieve or who are not sure about the existance of bigfoot, the Loch Ness monster or ghosts?

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homerx

replied on February 25th, 2009

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NeutralUsername wrote:

The only logical choice is agnoticism? Aren't you just like a Christian who says, "Embrace Christianity because it's the right way"? You have a commonality with religious people who think THEIR beliefs are the right ones. I don't care what other people believe. I also don't tell people that atheism is the right way to go.

good point! gosign

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Maddie34

replied on February 27th, 2009

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If we are going to categorize, I’d just stick everyone who feels the need to push any sort of belief on the same bus.

Agnostics and atheists can be just as pushy and judgmental as any Christian.

Everyone is going to think their way of thinking is the best way of thinking, but it’s when they start to push that way of thinking that it first sets them apart from others. That is where the conflict starts.

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homerx

replied on February 27th, 2009

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Maddie34 wrote:

Agnostics and atheists can be just as pushy and judgmental as any Christian.

that is true...people believe they R right...yepperzzz looking

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DamianaRaven

replied on February 28th, 2009

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I'm a pretty devout agnostic myself, and I think the bus campaign is a hoot! Good for those atheists, if for no other reason than making some people laugh. There's nothing wrong with religion exactly, if you're looking to celebrate God with others of like ideas. I believe in God. I just don't believe in advertising my beliefs so that others will see things my way and make me feel more smug and right about my narrow vision of the universe. People need to realize just how small they really are before we can ever come together and live in peace in harmony. Humility is the key to utopia, but pride is a stubborn demon to overcome.

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Birch

replied on February 28th, 2009

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People clearly don't understand.

Recommending someone embrace agnosticism is recommending an open mind. It's not a belief system that lead to derision and discrimination, but acceptance.

If it will make people feel better, I'll retract my earlier statement and go with this instead:

"Embrace an open mind."

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homerx

replied on February 28th, 2009

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Birch wrote:

"Embrace an open mind."

I think i know what you meant,Birch and I like the embrace an open mind policy. Its all speculation and its OK.

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NeutralUsername

replied on March 2nd, 2009

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Birch wrote:

People clearly don't understand.

Recommending someone embrace agnosticism is recommending an open mind. It's not a belief system that lead to derision and discrimination, but acceptance.

If it will make people feel better, I'll retract my earlier statement and go with this instead:

"Embrace an open mind."

Then you are implying that those who are religious or atheist are close minded. You do not have to be agnostic to be open minded. Believe or not, I've known CHRISTIANS who have open minds. They understand that anything is possible. They even believe in life on other planets. They are very accepting of others of differing beliefs. They just happen to believe in Christianity. Of course not all the religious or non-believers are like this. But,just because an agnostic is open minded about the existance of god(s), it doesn't mean he or she will be open-minded about other apsects in life.

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Birch

replied on March 2nd, 2009

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NeutralUsername wrote:

Birch wrote:

People clearly don't understand.

Recommending someone embrace agnosticism is recommending an open mind. It's not a belief system that lead to derision and discrimination, but acceptance.

If it will make people feel better, I'll retract my earlier statement and go with this instead:

"Embrace an open mind."

Then you are implying that those who are religious or atheist are close minded. You do not have to be agnostic to be open minded. Believe or not, I've known CHRISTIANS who have open minds. They understand that anything is possible. They even believe in life on other planets. They are very accepting of others of differing beliefs. They just happen to believe in Christianity. Of course not all the religious or non-believers are like this.

If you are Christian, you are not open minded about religion, by definition.

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But,just because an agnostic is open minded about the existance of god(s), it doesn't mean he or she will be open-minded about other apsects in life.

Semantics. We are clearly discussing religion here.

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