I'm bumping this in case people missed it.

Yeah, I'd say that is about 5 weeks.

Any reason why you're asking?

Because it's just more visual proof that large babies are not being killed during an abortion.

You mean during a early abortion. I see a life about to be killed in the picture. God I could never do that.

Because 90% of all abortions are early abortion is is the MOST relevant image. You wouldn't use a picture of a giraffe to describe a location that is almost all zebra. It's misrepresentation.

And yes, it is a life. So is a cow. Are you vegetarian? No. Is that a baby? Can you actually be so brainwashed as to call that a baby? Yes, you probably could. But I'm hoping others on here are not so blind. THIS is the truth.

And so what if YOU couldn't do it? YOU are not every woman in America. You are just one woman. You do not have the right to make a decision for someone else.

I am prochoice, and I respect your choice.

I know you are not interested in making abortion illegal as per your previous posts on ehealth so I am not going to go off on some redundant soap box based in nonreality and pepper my response with insults.

I think it is a matter of your choice what you see. I can see where a pro-choice person would find this image ok to abort, but then on the other hand I can see where a pro-life person would find the image non-abort able.
I think it just comes down to what side you are on..
I don't think the picture is going to change a pro-lifers thoughts/feelings on aborting it. just like it won't change a pro-choicer thoughts/feelings about aborting it.
A picture is going to change what a person believes.

If that embryo were in my uterus then it would be my 'baby'. Even at that stage. Obviously, that's not medically correct. I believe that even a tiny embryo is a unique human life and that is why I would find it very hard to have an abortion.

I think the key is to understand that what one's personal beliefs are not necessarily fact.

Sorry I meant to say "not"

A picture is NOT going to change what a person believes.

Then why do pro-lifers use images of late-term miscarried fetuses and parade around saying they are aborted babies? Aren't they trying to change people's minds? If an image couldn't do that, they wouldn't use them.

they might be trying to change minds, but like I said I don't think it works for either side..

I think it depends on the situation whether the mother feels it's a 'baby' at that stage. I'm pro-choice, but basically as soon as I got pregnant, I felt I had a 'baby' in me. But that's because I WANTED it there. If the pregnancy is UNWANTED (rape, broken condom, etc) then the mother may not feel it's a 'baby', just a 'thing' in her she wants out.

This I don't understand in abortive women. Cause you are right that seems to be the case but then shouldn't it be that even if it is wanted you should be thinking it is 'thing' and not a 'baby'? See to us pro-lifers is always 'baby'. We don't change between 'wanted' or 'unwanted'.

This may help, I dunno: For me, when I found out I was pregnant I felt...well, violated. Disgusted. Sort of like, "Holy s---, this thing is inside me, growing inside me, and it's going to be a freakin' baby! Yeeeack!" I don't like babies at all. I know others do, and that's fine, but one thing the poster Cambion and I have in common is a general dislike of babies. That "thing" (it was never a baby to me) was certainly unwanted by both people who were biologically responsible for it.

I knew enough biology to know what the fetus was and looked like, and felt really, really horrified by this thing inside my body that I did not want to be there and I tried to prevent from being there. I mean, it was like an alien kind of thing. Something really violating. If left to it's own devices, it would explode out my vagina and scream it's head off until it sucked my boob. I felt so...animalistic. Degraded, really. The word "horrified" just sort of took over my psyche for the whole three days I knew I was pregnant before I had the abortion..

(I am obviously not cut out to be a mother!)

But other women have completely different reactions. They are thrilled to peaches; it's a baby, it's their offspring, and they can't wait to have a kid. It's bizarre to me, but that's fine; that's how they feel and i respect that. Their baby, child, is wanted.

Maybe that helps, maybe I'm just blithering.

You and I have a lot in common, Birch. I for one rarely find babies cute or appealing on any level. In fact being around them only cements my desire to avoid producing one. I'm not in the habit of putting down women that choose to reproduce or questioning them for doing so, regardless of how inappropriate I feel their situation is for breeding or how unable I am to empathize with their alleged need to reproduce to be complete. However I don't tell these people "don't breed". They're all to happy to tell me I have to do so, however.

I'll never understand why unhealthy women choose to and even take artificial measures to ensure a condition that will harm them or even kill them. I'll never understand why people of both genders are so desperate to perpetuate their genes even when said genes carry horrible flaws and the offspring will suffer for it. I'll never understand how humans can still claim to be superior to other animals because of this alleged ability to think beyond instinct when we commonly display a tendency to be illogical and helpless in the face of reproductive instincts.

In fact, humans are much weaker than "lesser" animals when it comes to controlling the urge to multiply, because so many of us use whatever means possible to breed even when nature herself has said "nope, you're not meant to do that...bad for the gene pool and bad for your health."

I wonder, who's the more selfish...the person that recognizes that he or she is flawed either genetically or instinctively when it comes to parenting/reproduction and strives to prevent accidents while maintaining some level of happiness and companionship, or the person that refuses to accept facts regarding financial, genetic, health and emotional limitations and breeds because they "want" a baby or because everyone else has told them it's what they're supposed to do?

As for the picture, I'd say it's about eight weeks tops. Truthfully I think that "babies" inside the womb that look like a baked bean or primitive form of sea life are cuter than the veiny, screaming red-faced things that come out of a woman at the end of incubation and demand ever millisecond of her time afterwards.

I would get the poo end of the stick. I'd have to spend three months short of a year sharing my body and having my rights restricted, medical ailments ranging from puking to hemorrhoids to blood pressure, labor lasting anywhere from 4-24 hours and then my privates sliced open with scissors or my stomach cut open with a scalpel while my husband sits and feels important for having an orgasm. Then after sharing my body for all this time I wouldn't even be allowed to enjoy having it as my own again because lactivist personnel would be shoving this screaming tiny being at me demanding that I let it suck my nipple until it cracks and bleeds. Then I'd get home and have to do all of the drudgework (because you know, that's what the women do even though they already do all the work in reproduction to begin with) while hubby has a few kodak moments and gets to choose all the names and makes all the decisions and then complains because I'm too tired or sore to share my body with him.

No bloody thank-you. If you try to force me to do that you might as well be trying to send me to hell.

Omg I can't wait to be preggy!! Just reading this makes me excited. I do not plan on breast feeding thought. I'm officially trying now. Been about 3 weeks with no birth control. Please send lots of baby dust for me!

Baby dust, baby dust, baby dust!

Sorry, is that what you get when you gring them up really fine?

yes -- i know that is offensive to some people. But the term "baby dust" is to deeply, repellantly vile that you need a good slapping for using it.

I don't see why it's hard to consider it wonderful in one case and terrible in another.

Rape vs Sex. Both involve the same thing, a penis going into a vagina. But in rape, it's involuntary so suddenly it's a horrible event. With sex, it is voluntary so it's one of the most worshiped of human behaviors. What, should raped women feel that the insertion from it is as wonderful as the insertion from sex? It's the same thing, isn't it?