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Q: Alternatives to Antibiotics for strep
asked by: MRFACE on September 29th, 2009
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I have a fairly serious systemic Strepp (sp?) infection...I refuse to take conventional antibiotics - any suggestions for alternatives?

We don't need to get into the philosophical or scientific reasons why I disagree with their usage....I'm not looking for a debate here. Simply a reply from someone knowledgeable in various alternative therapies.

Symptoms include rashes from ankles up to thighs, occasional itching in the stomach area.

Thanx.

EFK
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timeisshort
replied on September 29th, 2009
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Hi MRFACE, i can relate to your plight & believe i can help with info & options!
firstly, we need to hydrate correctly. for every 40-50lb of our body weight we need to consume 1 litre of filtered water. Your symptoms are indicative of dehydration as part of your problem. you will need to do this gradually & build up to your desired consumption of water over a 3 week period. the other thing i want you to ask your self is what is it that they put in iv drips to rehydrate us in hospital? Saline water, look up vital functions of salt in the body , do your own research, with salt it's not so much the salt(when its natural & unprocessed)that is the problem as it is the lack of water that causes the problem with fluid retension & salt.
salt is also a streilizer, an alkalizer & when it is natural salt it is loaded with trace minerals that are important for health. that pure white salt you buy in the supermarkets etc is mineraless & high temp heat treated, it can have aluminium powder &/or sugar added to make it flow better, both of which attack the immune system.
A natural antibiotic is olive leaf extract liquid, do not be tempted to use more than the directions say & start on it in a restricted dose. If you suffer from unstable blood sugar or low blood pressure it is best to consult a medical adviser but with wisdom you can use this successfully.
While your researching check out: acid alkaline diet & also ithyroid.com unless your alien or don't have hormones this site can be informative for all.

If there is anything else i can help you with you are most welcome to reply & i will endevour to assist you.

Incidentally, i have had a strepp throat & using the correct ratio of disolved natural salts has proven to rid the sore throat with in half an hour, but there is a proceedure to achieveing this!
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MRFACE
replied on September 29th, 2009
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Thanx, I will look into the sites. You should know that I'm not unfamiliar with alternative therapies; I'm just looking for some more answers because what I've used is only working so much...and I don't have the funds currently to go for the more expensive stuff.

In case it's helpful to your understanding of the situation, I'll list what I have healthwise, and what I'm taking...don't feel obligated to look it over, unless you have the time.

Thanx!

Conditions:
Scleroderma diagnosed about 18 years ago), current status: supposedly, I've managed to remove all markers in the bloodtests (i.e., they say it "looks" like I don't have it any more...whatever...)

Thyroid Goiter; first diagnosed 40 years ago; current status - "cold"...very small, not active.

Strepp - again...SYSTEMIC, not just strepp throat..it came up in the blood tests; My first PCP told me I might lose a limb or even my life, if left untreated...when I told them that I was treating it, just not with antibiotics, the FIRED ME.

My next PCP gave me a little time to do what I had to do, and was impressed with my results. So, for the time being, he said we could wait on the antibiotics....but the condition is flairing up again, and I'm concerned he may, on the next visit, say that we really should try some antiB's...

Meds:
Drink about 6 big cups daily of Organic green and ginger tea, with MSM, Vitamin C (Ester-C) and powdered Cayenne Pepper (American Botanical Pharmacy - Dr Schulze)

Chew raw garlic daily - I really need to up the dose on that!

When I have the funds (and it seems to help a lot) Echinacea Plus and Supertonic (orally), from Amer Bot Pharm.

Externally, Anti-infection formula, Deep Tissue Oil, Jojoba and Tea Tree Oil....A.B.P.

When I get the money and I can find 'em, Vitra-tox ointment #43 and mineral paste #41

I haven't had the strenght to do the 5 -day liver or kidney flushes from the A.B.P....nor have I checked which one might be more appropriate for the symptoms of this condition...but I have both on hand.

I had a local Chinese herbalist prepare a 14 day supply of and herbal tea concotion twice (helped both times)...but again, only so much...wish I had the funds to do it longer term.

I realize this mat require longer term healing from the inside out....but I'd like to stay alive long enough to take my brother to court (he's essentially screwed me out of a trust/inheritance left for me by my mother) - and yes, I realize the stress of that is most likely contributing to the situation as well! ;>)

Also, taking A.I.O. from Ceres Living - a company supposedly on the cutting edge of stem cell production and research; about 2 months now...no opinion as of yet (i.e., I haven't yet seen the much hyped "miracle"...)

I'm a vegetarian (not vegan...I just don't eat red meat or poultry...I guess that would make me lacto-ovo-pseudo...!) about 35 years.

Age 56, in otherwise fairly good shape, i.e., used to exercise, not really overweight.

Hope that helps.

Mr FACE
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MyrahU
replied on September 29th, 2009
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Please reconsider not taking antibiotics. Is it really worth losing your life over? I realize that you may have personal beliefs against antibiotics, but most of them are just as natural as anything else. They are derived from fungi that produce them. I know you didn't want to debate about this, but your life is worth debating for, isn't it?

You say you want to stay alive long enough to take your brother to court. You don't have to die if you get proper treatment. But I'll leave you be, now. It is your life and you are allowed to do what you want with it as long as you don't spread the strep to anyone else.

I wish you all the best.
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timeisshort
replied on September 30th, 2009
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Hi MRFACE,
You really should check out the alkaline diet, it will help you in so many ways, Something i knoticed you haven't made reference to is omega 3, it is crucial & the best source is flax seed oil cold pressed or chia seed which also has iron among others, another crucial nutrient is vit D3 but the best way to get this is to spend some time in direct sun light(not through glass as this blocks the crucial uvb rays that protect us), getting it from the sun means our bodies will eliminate the excess from our systems where as suppliments can create a toxic state, vit D3 is involved in over 300 different functions in our bodies & is highly involved in hormone & metabolism(thyroid).
The third thing, i'm going to stick my neck out here & it's not meant to offend, but have you concidered allowing God to take control of your life through prayer!
i know it probably sounds a bit over spiritual but if i were to have the time to explain how God has taken control of my life (without me even realising until just recently) i think you would be at least interested to know how could all this stack up in coincidence! tell me what you think of this if you like but at least go the omega 3 vit D3 & the alkaline nutrition, you gotta eat anyway any feed back!
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MRFACE
replied on October 1st, 2009
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MyrahU, thanx for your best wishes...

When someone hasn't personally seen the damage antibiotics can do, the mistakes doctors and nurses can make, the cover-ups that occur...I couldn't possibly expect them (you) to understand the risk that's involved.

I've known people who've had personal experience in all the items mentioned above....some are no longer alive to tell about it.

Might antibiotics help? Of course they might! The longer term damage they cause by driving what's not destroyed [of the infection] deeper into your body is usally not recognized...but that aside, there's also the chance of: allergic reaction, the antibiotic simply not working (so let's "try" this next one...and next one...which recently happened to a friend of mine), and of course, death; in which case, the doctor's simply say, "well, we tried everything we could, but the infection was just too strong/too far gone, etc etc.

It's interesting how doctors generally feel they did everything humanly possible...but when somebody doesn't get cured by time-honored traditional methods, they were "not given proper, sensible care" (they were killed by the herbalist)...or, if they get well, "they got lucky", or "the infection wasn't that strong", etc etc

Right now I don't have much money....I'd still rather take my chances with the things which have literally kept me alive for the last 20 years (I was told way back when that I didn't likely have much longer to go, by conventional medicine.)

Just because I have insurance, and would be covered for these treatments, i.e., just because the poisen is free, doesn't mean I have to drink it.

Doctors in general have great intentions...I just firmly belive that the conventional "wisdom" as to how diesease is treated is really based on a false premise; and yes...I'm willing to bet my life on it.

I've avoided hospitals about half a dozen times in my life,where others would have gone....perhaps that's what has kept me alive all these years.

I went to the ER last year for what turned out to be (allegedly) vertigo. A week earlier than that, I had the exact same symptoms, and did more for myself at home....and recovered quicker.

The drug they prescribed was for the dizzyness and nausea; the primary side effects listed were dizzyness and nausea...do you really think I bothered taking it? I went to my local herbal doctor, and within a week - and since then - I've been fine.

perhaps this time, not taking the antiB's will be the time that kills me...and the doctors can say, "if only he listened to us"; or perhaps this time, once again, I'll manage to stay alive by persuing alternative courses of action...who knows?

I just know I have to go with my experience, and beliefs.

But again, than you for your perspective, and best wishes!

;>)

To "timeishort":

Will check out alkaline diet...used to do the alkilaine drops with water, so I am familiar with the concept of providing a healthy environment within the body.

I do occasionally used flax seed oil, as well as flax seed in plain yogurt.

Do need to get more sun, as i currently do have extremely low Vitamin D levels, according to the blood tests.

As far as God, my concept of God is more in the line of universal consciousness, as opposed to an individual; in that respect, I've surrendered myself to the temple that is the universe, and everything that flows thru...well, everything!

;>)

But thanx for that suggestion as well.

And everyone, I don't mean to sound like a "know-it-all"; but I've seen too many doctor screw-ups...and I'm really tired of them thinking that they're gods!
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MyrahU
replied on October 1st, 2009
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The major concern with Strep is the fact that it can spread to your heart and even if you are able to fight it off at that stage, it can cause permanent damage.

If you believe that antibiotics pose a greater risk to your life than the infection, that is totally your right. However, I genuinely hope you are taking every precaution possible not to spread this infection to other people, either close to you or out in public. This can be a very serious infection, especially for elderly people and others who's immune systems are compromised. Whether you choose to get "conventional" treatment or not, you have a moral duty to protect others from your illness.

Please understand that I by no means think that doctors are gods. If you read my posts, I am all for people educating themselves, taking an active role in their own health care, and questioning their doctors. I have also had bad experiences with doctors who are either incompetent or just don't care anymore, but I have also had some wonderful experiences with ones who found what was wrong (that the others missed) and treated me effectively.

That's just my two-cents (or maybe it was six or seven cents Smile ). As I said, it's up to you what you want to do. As long as no one else is harmed by it, it is completely your choice.
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MRFACE
replied on October 6th, 2009
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MyrahU,

I would imagine that if it was the type of infection that were contagious, my former doctors would have mentioned that....no?
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MyrahU
replied on October 6th, 2009
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Strep is very contagious. People can catch it just by you coughing on your hand and touching a doorknob that they touch. Do an internet search about it. Type in "Is strep contagious" and you will see confirmation of that fact.

I don't know why your doctors didn't mention it. Maybe they figured it was obvious.
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