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Hi,

I've been doing some reading and I came across something that I thought was interesting. Some doctors believe that chronic sinusitis can be caused by a biofilm. Basically a biofilm, from what I understand, is a colony of bacteria that group together and create a kind of film. This film can get in your sinuses. This film is hard to get rid of. Antibiotics kill bacteria by stopping reproduction, but biofilms are resistant to antibiotics because they reproduce more slowly or something, not sure. For whatever reason antibiotics don't work on biofilms.

So I read that mixing 1%(or 4-5 drops) of the the nasal saline rinse with johnsons baby shampoo(not a typo) will actually break down the biofilm. I want to try this out, but I am a little worried that the shampoo might cause some damage. I haven't found anything negative online except for one woman said it made her lose her sense of smell. I'm not sure if I buy that though, because it might just be the sinusitis making it so she can't smell. Frankly, I can't really smell anything right now as it is.

Anyways, before I try this, I would love to hear if anyone else has tried it and had success or if it caused them harm. Thanks a lot.

-J.B.
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replied February 5th, 2013
DO NOT USE Johnson's Baby Shampoo as Medicine
There was ONE report done by 7 MD's at Division of Rhinology, Department of OtorhinolaryngologyHead and Neck Surgery, University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania in 2008. The report is based on ONLY 18 PATIENTS!!!

J&J was not told that their product, a cosmetic, was being used internally, as a medicine. Cosmetics do no require FDA regs, etc but Medicine does.

J&J's baby shampoo had toxic ingredients. It was such an issue that J&J made a promise to consumers to take toxins out of baby shampoo & all of their products by 2013-2015. In the mean time.... idiot MD's are telling Patients to use this toxic item to rinse sinus with. The idiot MD's base this decision on a test of only 18 patients! With NO FDA approval and no J&J approval!

For some strange reason "the" publication (research document) can be found on NeilMed's website. Shortly after the publication came out, NeilMed came out with their own product that NeilMed tole me "was the same product (as Johnson's Baby Shampoo)". NeilMed's product was PULLED FROM THE MARKET in Fall 2011 because it was unsafe! Some but not all of the reasons were: it's addictive and loss of smell. If NeilMed's product, a medicine, was pulled from the market for being unsafe and it was "the same" as Johnson's Baby Shampoo then why would Johnson's Baby Shampoo be any safer for internal use?

And, once the product is reformulated, (1) is it effective? (2) is it any safer?

I found all this out, as a Patient, by simply making phone calls. I'm amazed at how stupid people are.
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replied February 5th, 2013
There was ONE report done by 7 MD's at Division of Rhinology, Department of Otorhinolaryngology-Head and Neck Surgery, University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania in 2008. The report is based on ONLY 18 PATIENTS!!!

J&J was not told that their product, a cosmetic, was being used internally, as a medicine. Cosmetics do no require FDA regs, etc but Medicine does.

J&J's baby shampoo had toxic ingredients. It was such an issue that J&J made a promise to consumers to take toxins out of baby shampoo & all of their products by 2013-2015. In the mean time.... idiot MD's are telling Patients to use this toxic item to rinse sinus with. The idiot MD's base this decision on a test of only 18 patients! With NO FDA approval and no J&J approval!

For some strange reason "the" publication (research document) can be found on NeilMed's website. Shortly after the publication came out, NeilMed came out with their own product that NeilMed tole me "was the same product (as Johnson's Baby Shampoo)". NeilMed's product was PULLED FROM THE MARKET in Fall 2011 because it was unsafe! Some but not all of the reasons were: it's addictive and loss of smell. If NeilMed's product, a medicine, was pulled from the market for being unsafe and it was "the same" as Johnson's Baby Shampoo then why would Johnson's Baby Shampoo be any safer for internal use?

And, once the product is reformulated, (1) is it effective? (2) is it any safer?

I found all this out, as a Patient, by simply making phone calls.
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replied July 22nd, 2013
Try Organic Baby Shampoo
I have just started using the 1% baby shampoo rinse on my doctor's advice. It occurred to me, though, that I should find an organic baby shampoo since I'd be putting this inside my head where there are fewer biological filters to keep problem ingredients out of my system. So I bought Burt's Bees baby shampoo.

Thus far it's worked very well: no stinging; and my sinuses feel much more cleared out than they ever had before (and I've tried many different solutions: salt, salt and baking soda, salt and baking soda and iodine, salt and baking soda and hydrogen peroxide). I wouldn't do this forever, but it's a great backup to have whenever I feel really clogged.
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replied October 15th, 2013
I've had sinus issues on and off for a few years now and was a regular user of saline irrigation. Twice, I tried the baby shampoo and both times I caught a nasty cold. From what I read, the shampoo prevents a biofilm from forming but is not much help in removing an existing biofilm. However, I do think the shampoo significantly increases the removal of the protective barrier in the nasal passages; the barrier which is the first line defense against germs. As well, saline irrigation also can remove this barrier over time. I've stopped the saline irrigation since it really never helped me anyway. I'm just going to allow my nasal passages take care of themselves. They seem to have been able to do this for thousands of years before irrigation became popular.
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replied October 31st, 2014
Biofilm treatment - Question
Hi,

I find this site very informative. Really appreciate the good work you are doing.

I have a question in preparing nasal rinse solution. While honey and baby shampoo are effective in fighting biofilm, is it okay to use them both in your nasal rinse?

I was planning to put the following - non-iodized salt, honey, baby shampoo. Is it the right way? Please advice.
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replied July 29th, 2015
I've had chronic sinusitis for several years, and made some recent progress, and feel compelled to share, because I know how miserable it can be. My sinusitis seemed to be related to the weather - when it got gray it would fire up (all the way to polyps), and when it became sunny it would go away. I work out regularly and fairly hard, so I suspect I was giving opportunity for a (likely) fungal infection.

I tried all kinds of natural remedies, including baby shampoo, spices, rinses, oils, inhaling steam with various oils, teas, etc... These made me feel better temporarily but did not solve it. Same with drugs from doctors, such as flonase, and anti-inflammatories, anti-biotics, and anti-histamines.

I have been infection free for about 1.5 months now (not long I know) and made it through the latest rains without recurrence, which is really quite new. I cannot pinpoint the exact reason, but I made 3 changes where I suspect one or more were the cause:

1. I cleaned out accumulated dust around my work desk
2. I started having smoothies 3 times a week of: Banana, pineapple, kale, blueberries, strawberries, almond/coconut milk.
3. I started to avoid dairy

I hope this helps someone, because I took a long journey. If I get a recurrence, I'll try to report back.

Marco

(another tangental but interesting fact is that my sinusitus hit shortly after removing beef from my diet. I still don't eat beef)
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replied December 18th, 2015
I have had three sinus surgeries to open up my sinuses. The surgery helped, but did not solve all of the problems. I have used NeilMed sinus rinse off and on for years.

About three months ago I came down with bronchitis as well as a sinus infection. Antibiotics helped with some of the problems, but not my sinus issues. I reached a point where my sinuses swelled shut. I was in pain and desperate. I tried a number of medications for temporary relief, and that was what I gained, just temporary relief.

I researched on the Internet for any possible ideas. Baby shampoo was the first suggestion. I added three drops to my sinus rinse, and it did help clean things out, but did not solve the problem. I then read about hydrogen peroxide and tried that. I added three to four teaspoons to my rinse. It helped a little more than the baby shampoo, but still no lasting results. I read about apple cider vinegar being a mild astringent and that it was tough on yeast infections. I have not read about anyone adding this to their rinse, but I was desperate after months so suffering. After some experimentation I found that half a capsule was all I could endure.

My sinuses are finally improving, but I rinse twice several times a day. The first rinse is with the hydrogen peroxide additive and the second rinse is with the apple cider vinegar additive. Immediately after each rinse I tip my head back for 10 to 20 seconds and then tip my head down to my knees for the same amount of time so the rinse can reach more of the nasal cavities. I feel relief for the first time in months.

I also experimented using my probiotic as an additive after reading this may be something offered in the future. I have no real comments on the success or failure of this experiment. It is a unique earth based probiotic, but I felt no immediate benefit or harm from its use.

The combination of the hydrogen peroxide and apple cider vinegar proved a turning point for me.
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replied January 7th, 2016
J&J research
Regarding toxicity. As I understand it Johnson & Johnson's shampoo has an ingredient that breaks down into Formaldehyde, which is toxic. However one Apple contains 18 times the amount that would be absorbed.

I've been researching the same treatment for myself.

Regarding biofilms and antibiotics. Antiobiotics are carried through the system via blood supply. But since biofilms are usually non-invasive, they reside on the mucosal surface, where there is no blood supply. However they release compounds that trigger an immune response strong enough to cause tissue damage.

Biofilms (combination of yeast, bacteria, fungus) form a protective layer of oily bonds. Adding a surfectant helps to break up the culture so that that the wash is more effective.

There are other surfectants besides Johnson & Johnson's baby shampoo, however it was proposed for its long history of safety.

I would not be surprised if there's a patented, FDA approved surfactant released in the future, and possible that (money, money, money) was even the reason Johnson & Johnson's was pulled!

After suffering for a while with sinus problems, I'm prepared to take a chance on J&J.
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replied February 15th, 2016
years and years of trial and error/surgery etc...
I've been using the baby shampoo for a while now and I'm not dead yet. All this blah blah toxic nonsense! Damn! an infection isn't good for my health either as well as repeat antibiotics! Run out of antibiotics to use due to repeated use and meningitis isn't a crazy possibility sooo baby shampoo? yeah ill take my chances. I live on the edge. ha. Anyway start with a cpl drops and build up because it burns. also add half a capful of braggs apple cidar vinegar and half a teaspoon 20 umf manuka doctor honey (maori remedy)as well. I also recommend eating the manuka honey 3 tsp a day when sick and one when healthy. I add mine to my coffee. I also add this stuff called Himalayan Chandra drops to my rinse. I prepare 2 cups at a time and do one per side. volume!! lots of rinse don't be stingy. very important is perfecting the blow. wait 10-15 min after rinse and then bend at the waist and tilt head slightly and blow each side.(nostril at top each time) also laying on your side blowing the nostril at the top, NOT the nostril closest to the mattress.
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