Well, at least you are right about one issue: Fetuses are not persons, but potential persons. The only thing standing between them and personhood is birth.

And since they aren't persons, they have no right to life under the Constitution.

Norma McCorvey has always been something of an attention seeker, so your side can have her as long as you promise not to give her back. Deal?

Lastly, I can't speak for anyone else, but I personally believe that women are intelligent enough and thoughtful enough to make up their own minds about abortion without propaganda and waiting periods. Your side appears to presume that women are too stupid to do their own research, and that they are so mentally vacant that they show up to have an abortion without having already thought the decision through thoroughly.

So I guess my question would be, why do you have such a low opinion of women?

I can chose to give a gift back if I don't like it.

"And since they aren't persons, they have no right to life under the Constitution."
gays aren't under the constitution either so does that make them not a person... or unable to marry?

"Norma McCorvey has always been something of an attention seeker, so your side can have her as long as you promise not to give her back. Deal? Very Happy"

"women are intelligent enough and thoughtful enough to make up their own minds about abortion"

You question her intelligence so that is hypocritical!

"So I guess my question would be, why do you have such a low opinion of women?"---I don't...you are the one questioning a woman's opinion and intelligence.



"I can chose to give a gift back if I don't like it."
Like your life? I hope that's not what you meant...?


Anyone responding please read the entire original post before responding thanks!

What "information" do you think pro-choice wants abortion clinics to hold back? I think a woman considering abortion should be given all the facts - not propoganda, but FACTS. Ultrasounds to determine what stage her pregnancy is at (whether she chooses to look at the image should be her decision, however), information about what abortion entails, checking and re-checking that this IS what she wants to do and that she isn't being pressured into it...

Oh, and by the by. There are many pro-choice people here who have also chosen to parent, myself included. In fact, I'm pregnant right now. A pregnant pro-choicer! Could such a thing ever exist? Not all pro-choicers are pro-abortion, anti-child psychopaths.

You're entitled to your opinion that abortion is whatever you think it is, but that does not change the fact that women deserve the right to make their own choice concerning pregnancy: parenting, adoption, or SAFE abortion.

A z/e/f's "right to life" should not step on a BORN woman's right to control her own body. If you give an unborn child the right to use its mother's body against her will, you're giving the unborn more rights than the mother. You might deny this, but think about it. The mother now HAS to assume every risk and complication that pregnancy can bring, including high blood pressure, diabetes, depression, risk of invasive abdominal surgery, bleeding and hemmorhaging issues, postpartum depression and/or psychosis... need I go on? And this doesn't even touch on the physical and emotional trauma of a uncomplicated vaginal birth. To shrug these things off is to see the mother as less of a person in your eyes. We don't even treat prisoners of war in such ways, but so many of our citizens are willing to inflict this on women. It's disgusting.

so what are they then? flightless birds that somehow morph into human beings at birth? they are definately something or the woman would not be pregnant. and exactly how does a human being get pregnant with something other than a human being. i know sheep get pregnant with sheep whales get pregnant with whales dogs get pregnant with dogs. exactly what makes humans so different from all other mammals that they aren't pregnant with humans but something else. and what is that something because it is definately not a potential something or it would not be there.

Do you even read what people write? You didn't even answer her question. You just blow off a lot of hot air that never makes any sense.

I am fully in favour of women having all the information when deciding on abortion.
But I also think that doctors should be required to fully inform any women who have a positive pregnancy test about what is involved in pregnancy and childbirth. I would also like to require compulsory parenting classes for anyone who chooses to have a child, to include fundamentals of nutrition, discipline and education. They should also need to prove that they are financial able to provide for the child if they decide to keep it.

"I would also like to REQUIRE compulsory parenting classes for anyone who chooses to have a child, to include fundamentals of nutrition, discipline and education. They should also need to prove that they are financial able to provide for the child if they decide to keep it."

some CHOICE huh? this is proof of more ironic hypocrisy.
although, I do agree... more facts typically yields the RIGHT decision.

The pro-choice movement is based on hypocrisy in multiple ways and has been ever since it’s conception in the United States….

The initial ruling in Roe vs. Wade declared that abortion was considered legal under the context that a people have a “right to privacy”. Interestingly enough the founding fathers of our nation never declared a “right of privacy” but did mention a “right to LIFE”. Now, this does not mean that they didn’t support a right to privacy but rather that the former Supreme Court interpreted a “right to privacy” to it’s absolute fullest extent (as an unenumerated /unlisted right) but blatantly IGNORED a potential person’s “right to life”.

Further more, in Roe. Vs. Wade. Roe (the founding mother of a person’s right to abortion-aka Norma L. McCorvey "Jane Roe") NEVER HAD AN ABORTION and later converted to Christianity and CURRENTLY is an extreme OPPONENT to the pro-choice movement.

Also, the Pro-choice movement denies a potential person’s right to choose life, which they themselves were gifted with. Feminists declare themselves as independent, strong and free spirited yet when faced with the decision to have their own child (as a pro-choice standpoint) they cringe at the prospect of giving their child a chance at life (that they were given).

Many pro-choice advocates don’t want abortion clinics to provide mandatory information about the procedure, alternatives to an abortion, or even one or more days to wait to think about their decision. This pro-choice stand point blatantly places the woman in a state of IGNORANCE in opposition to a well thought out CHOICE.

Don’t be fooled by hypocrisy…. LIFE is a gift, NOT a CHOICE

(The text of the original post was distorted from the way it was composed so I posted this as a real copy)

Hey, welcome back!




Then I, and millions of other women who have chosen abortion, will take Jane Roe's place. It doesn't matter.



Painting with broad strokes never does any one justice. Prochoicers advocates for choice, regardless of that choice.

It's not that prochoice advocates are swinging from railings screaming at women to abort everthing they conceive. Prolife advocates, on the other hand, scream at women in the street to abort their autonomy.



Find one prochoice advocate that doesn't want abortion clinics to provide information on the procedure.
Law requires that women wait a period of time, in Ohio I believe it was 48 hours, so you got that wish.
I find it interesting that women would need to know "alternatives" (and really there is only one alternative to abortion) to abortion since they are well aware of pregnancy and birth, and have that information provided by the clinic, but I am all for that too. Abortion isn't always the right choice, and I want women to be the most informed they can be.

If life is a gift, it's a gift from my loins, and I'm glad my brain has dominion.

how does suggesting that humans are pregnant with humans not make sense. and the the question is based on an assumption making it invalid and impossible to answer. posing a question such as "do you have a low opinion of women and if so why" is valid.