I think your position is somewhat facile. Yes, many women have more than one abortion. But over what period of time would you consider them frivolous? One at 16, another at 22, another at 35? Someone could be using birth control assiduously and be unlucky every now and then. Or there could be someone who has once sex every 5 years with no protection.

Personally, I would rather see a man who has fathered children with two different women comupulsorily sterilised -- there's enough of his DNA around by then.

But then who's to say that he doesn't deserve to be a father? I don't think having more than one babymama should be grounds for vasectomy, but when he becomes an official "deadbeat dad" then I'll join whoever demands he be sterilized.

Periods of time should be notwithstanding. "Someone could be using birth control assiduously and be unlucky every now and then." If their luck is so bad that they keep getting pregnant despite conscientious use of birth control, then nature has forced them to make a decision for the greater good. Have children or don't.

"Or there could be someone who has once sex every 5 years with no protection." If that someone knew that too many abortions would lead to sterilization, then they would be well-advised to rethink the "no protection" aspect of their mating cycle.

How can you call yourself pro-choice and be for limiting the number of abortions a woman can have? Either women should have the choice to abort or not. If one abortion is okay, then 10 should be, too. I couldn't care less how many abortions a woman has, as I don't see anything wrong with it (abortion). It's none of my business. At least she's not bringing unwanted children into the world.

I'm one of those (rare?) pro-choicers who can concede that abortion is a bad choice. It should be used as a last resort "ohmygod, WHY didn't I remember to use birth control, I'm such a DINKHEAD" decision. Needful though it may be, it's still killing and it shouldn't be done in such a wholesale fashion as some people would have it.

In any event, I'm pro-choice, not pro-abortion. My plan actually gives people MORE choices instead of less. They get to choose whether or not they want to bear children. I'm not talking about sterilizing some woman who wants to be a mother.

You seem forget that birthcontrol doesn't work or it becomes less effective when taking any type of medication with it, whether it be anti-biotics, vitamins(supplements) prescriptions etc. If birth control actually worked without having something in life not affecting the effectiveness of it I wouldn't have two kids.

I just get sick of being called a hussy or other similar names because someone felt that me sleeping around causes my abortion and trust me there is enough posts on this forum to support me saying this.

I certainly never meant to suggest that you're a hussy, but how many abortions have you had? There are non-medical forms of birth control that can be combined to be pretty danged effective, so I hate to hear people whining about their meds not letting them enjoy their method of choice. To me, it sounds suspiciously like "he don't wanna wear a condom and I don't wanna make him."

Using abortion as birth control is detrimental to the pro-choice movement because it gets the pro-life side genuinely upset and makes it hard on those who only want to have the option as a last-resort escape plan.

You can't force a guy to wear one, it would be the equivalent of coercion on his side, in regards to woman that is.

I find it rather insane taking BC is a nuissance, although finding a guy who will actually put a wrapper on is almost insane I always see posts or hear from friends "Well I can't feel anything." I know where you are coming from but then again every woman would have to stand their ground, me and you may be able to do that but not all of them will, alot of woman fear.



I agree whole heartedly, birth control is detrimental but so is abortion, getting rid of abortion won't solve the problem, then it will be something else afterwards.

I fight for abortion because it is a piece of reproductive rights, its like a tower you take one part out and it becomes unstable(maybe Jenga would be a better example.) Even if the needs for abortion weren't needed I would still want it kept legalized, birth control, prenatal care, reproductive care, facilitation a birth in a medical establishment are the other parts.

I hear that! There should be birth control clinics EVERYWHERE that hand it all out for free just for the asking. There's "free" birth control now, but in order to get it a young woman has to go on some bureaucratic scavenger hunt collecting 7 different documents and completing 9 forms swearing and proving that she can't pay. (Unless, of course, she says she's an illegal immigrant, in which case those hurdles are waived, but that's another soapbox entirely.)

I would only want my plan implemented if anyone could go into one of thousands of nationwide clinics dedicated solely to birth control (no abortions, no STD's, no vaccinations, just Depo & pills & condoms for all!) and walk out THAT DAY with everything they need to hump at will.

I don't really feel bad for men who don't like to wear condoms. I feel sorry for women so frightened of being rejected that they're willing to risk their personal safety ('cause kids aren't even the worst think a man can squirt up into you along with his happy juice) if only someone would "love" them enough to screw them. If some men didn't spread disease and sire children without supporting them, then others wouldn't have to wear uncomfortable sheaths on their winkies.

Condoms aren't the only non-medicinal form of birth control. There are inserts galore that kill sperm on contact. If you're taking handfuls of pills and you're allergic to all synthetic materials, then maybe you shouldn't be having sex. If you just must, then I'm sure your doctor will recommend some manner of holistic voodoo that's better than "oh well, abortions will have to do."

Well, I am a pro-choicer who sees abortion as an intrusive and undesirable medical procedure. I also see it as the best choice to be made in many, many pregnancies. My view is that continuing with an unwanted pregnancy to bring yet another resource-sucking human onto the planet is the bad choice. Breeding should not be done in the wholesale fashion that so many people do it.

Absolutely, which is why I'd like to see some people sterilized. I mean really, maybe some women would welcome the chance to be offered a free tubal ligation without some sanctimonious doctor and his pet shrink telling her she's not qualified to make such a grave decision about herself. The idea that any woman is DENIED a tubal that she wants to have makes me want to scream in frustration. WHYYYYYYYYYYYY?!?!?!?!?!!!

*Raises hand*

Sign me up. I can't even PAY to get sterilized. It's unacceptable how the medical community refuses to grant women a procedure that has the best chance of preventing unwilling pregnancy (and therefore help preventing the need/desire for abortion in the first place).

If prolifers ever get their way and outlaw elective abortion, I say free tubals all around out of THEIR pockets. No more of these patronizing, sexist arguments about how all women want kids eventually. No more bloody hoops!

Oh and no more being told I need to speak with a shrink because there must be some reason why I don't want/anymore children..

I was referred by one DR to speak with a counsellor because I guess its not normal for a woman not to want children, this makes me want to scream~!

I think that is a bit drastic. I am pro-choice but also believe its sick to use abortion as birth control. I knew a girl who had seven abortions from the age of 14-20. It was disgusting. I would love to see mandatory depo shots after an abortion....or something else that could ensure at least some time between acts of stupidity.

I agree but then again we are pro-choice after all and need to support these people regardless of the choice they made, unfortunatly it falls into the territory of what we have decided.

Just an FYI for anyone reading this, if you have a famiyl history or anyone in your family suffers from Depression, anxiety etc, Depo may be the worse thing you can do, I suffered severe anxiety while on it and don't usually have anxiety problems.

Oh believe me I know, I would rather have stupid women have countless abortions than no one be allowed to have them at all. I just wish women would take advantage of the ample free birth control that is available.

And one of the worst arguments ever is "well he dont want a condom so we dont use a condom." Women can get any number of birth control options be it pills, IUDs, shots and diaghrams for women who get sick with hormonal methods. I just want to scream at people who think abortion is the end all be all to not getting pregnant.

I am on birth control (normally, long story as to why I am not now) and I still have a rule "no glove, no love." Any woman who is to afraid to tell her man to wrap it up should not be with that man!

Perhaps it would be a better idea if sterilization were merely offered and encouraged instead of forced. However, as long as female sterilization is frowned upon and looked at as an impulsive, untrustworthy decision, the abortion mill will keep on churning.

Perhaps the pro-life movement should focus more on solutions like this one instead of trying to make people feel bad for what they've done and might do. I don't have all the answers, but I've got some sound ideas that can be tweaked into solutions with the help of some smart people. In a way, I'd like to see the pro-lifers win, but by eliminating the NEED for abortion instead of the right to have one.

If we could IUDs cheap, or even better for free!, I think we would cut down on abortions considerably. It is not nearly as invasive as tubal litigation and it cuts out the need to take pills, get shots, etc. And best of all, when that woman IS ready for kids, BAM a half hour in a doctors chair and shes good to go!

It blows my mind that tiny pieces of plastic can sometimes cost women thousands of dollars! My cousin (who turning 21 this year) just had a tubal litigation because her health care would cover the cost of the surgery but not a simple implant!

IUD's got a bad name back in the 70's when they were made of metal and caused some women to hemorrhage and even bleed to death. They're safer now, but they still have a tendency to fall out. I think they're definitely better and safer than having abortions.

I can't say this often or loudly enough: BIRTH CONTROL SHOULD BE FREE FOR EVERYONE!!!!! There should be clinics on (almost) every corner where anyone can walk in, see a doctor, get birth control, and be asked the bare minimum of questions - unaccompanied minors welcome! (The practice of making teenagers ask their parents for birth control is insane and I'm glad that many clinics are backing off of that and servicing them at 16.)

There's still a little collective fear about what all this sexual freedom will do for family values and the Christian lifestyle. People who don't like birth control are people who don't like sex and that's a fact. In this day and age, anyone who's against birth control should be stripped naked and abandoned in the forest.

We live in a society where sex is both exalted and vilified. It's no wonder that people are raping each other and killing the fetuses.