You obviously did not understand my post at all?

"I know this is not a possibility but if everyone was held accountable more precautions would be made instead of "rolling the dice" or playing "Russian Roulette." "

"If everyone was held accountable more..."

Held accountable? You want people to be held accountable by forcing them to bear children.

I've read your post three times. Your message is clear.

Yes fetuses are human, but theyir status as human, their ability to survive is solely dependant upon another person. I'm pro-choice because clearly though I think it would be the more humane thing to do to help another person live no one should be forced into being what I or anyone else think is a good humane person.

Example, if someone needed a kidney and I was deformed and had a third one I STILL would not give it. They have no right to my body whether I'm using it, they'll die without it or not. Same goes for fetuses. My child because of MY choice could get one of my two kidneys in a heartbeat and all of the blood I could pump and spare to him if he needs it.

Because the unborn have to rely upon the mother to live its totally up to the mother whether it will or wont. I dont see the logic in killing a fetus vs simply removing it (delivering it thus ending the pregnancy and givng the woman or child full control of her body again because the fetus is no longer there).

Modern science is getting closer and closer to the need for human incubation as babies survive more and more younger and younger outside of the womb. Hopefully there will be a day when the only women who ever become pregnant are the ones who intentionally and wanted to become pregnant.

No, you did not understand my post. The comment stating "roll the dice" or "Russian Roulette", to clarify my point I simply meant instead of having "fun sex" taking a chance if you will get pregnant? Take precautions. We simply make it to easy, pregnant no problem. Why shouldnt ones be held accountable? I simply stated if your pregnant and you choose abortion then all parties are held accountable. It wasnt just the female having sex by her self. Read my post again. I do not stand on either side. I stated I was torn. Your right my message was clear you just misinterpreted for your argumentative sake.

So you're saying the fact that you want to hold women with unwanted pregnancies accountable for their "misdeed" of engaging in sex (god forbid a woman be allowed to have sex freely!) is wrong?

What are you saying then? Because it sounds to me like you would rather point the finger at pregnant women and say "see, you shouldn't have had sex! That'll teach you!" You yourself imply that these women are irresponsible. If they're so irresponsible then why in the world would you want them to be parents?

We can and should ALL agree that unprotected sex in the day of rampant HIV/AIDS transmittal IS playing russian roulette with your very life. It's no secret its mostly transmitted through sex and that's far easier to avoid than being an unsuspecting victim of HIV positive blood donation. It's irresponsible to want to avoid pregnancy and not take any precaution accurately to do so. And according to Guttmacher over 70% of the women who got abortions used condoms or hormonal bc and did NOT use it correctly (ie missed some pills, didnt wear a condom a few times, or didnt take it close enough together) within the month they became pregnant.

This is irresponsible not because they're going to get an abortino but because if you want to proclaim control over your body first TRY CONTROLLING it by trying ,like actually trying, to make it do what you want. Not using BC and getting pregnant then getting upset is like eating fastfood all the time and wondering why you have a gut and crying about being fat. Just doesn't make any sense.

Someone that gets my post. Amen! I guess we are singing to the choir!

Mmmkay what I get from this is that you are scolding the irresponsible women with unwanted pregnancies, but understand the absurdity of outlawing abortion to use the threat of unwanted children to force women to be more responsible. I do agree that people are irresponsible, but to me that's all the more reason to keep abortion safe and legal. I don't get the whole argument against abortion to teach women some responsibility.

If you want to have an intelligent discussion, it helps to actually come of with a valid point or two instead of telling me how much I don't get the "meaning" of your post. Because telling me over and over how I don't "understand" you or your post is beginning to look more and more like a "Sh** what do I say to that?"

OMG--once that sperm enters the egg and fertilizes it is a child period..Should a woman not want to keep the child then place it up for adoption..The only exception I can see is if that child is physically killing the mother as in sepsis or rape..Society has made it so easy to do so much wrong and make it sound right or ok..You can debate or whatever you want but it will never change or make a wrong into a right no matter what words are used by anyone..

IF a woman does not want a child then either keep your legs closed or take precautions..Come on that is simple..Yes it is always up to the woman-so what else is new..

"OMG--once that sperm enters the egg and fertilizes it is a child
period"

Why? No one has explained to me why a fertilized egg is more important than a women and her rights. Is an egg a chicken? It seems that all the lifers value in a human is a complete set of DNA.

I think you just like to argue..
I am a woman and I know my rights! A chicken egg would be a chicken..A human egg is human..A complete set of DNA is a easier way to live don't you think..

A chicken egg is not a chicken. I keep hens, and roosters. The eggs I eat are fertilised eggs. I can tell you for certain that an omelette doesn't taste ANYTHING like a roast chicken!

If a woman doesn't want to have an abortion, she can just keep her unplanned and unwanted accident. No one is forcing her to have an abortion! That's what choice is about.

Ok then a hen comes from a hen egg the same as a baby comes from a human egg..whatever..a baby is a baby..I knew I was pregnant I knew I was carrying a child..Not at it..

I'm not splitting hairs on this..

There is a difference in choice if you yourself say don't resucitate yourself that's choice but leave the unborn alone!..

The unborn can stay in their own caves. Once they are in my uterus, they're mine to do with as I please. And there is no way I would leave a blood-sucking troll in my body for a second longer than it would take me to get to the clinic and have it sucked out.

Then I hope you are not granted the privilege to become pregnant..

Troll-I can't help but wonder why anyone would feel a unborn child to be a blood sucking troll unless you have had a bad experience..

I have read your posts and it sounds to me like you are more concerned about taxes than life..I pay high taxes I think most of us do but it does not change facts--the baby is not at fault..

Conversely, I can't imagine why anyone would voluntarily become pregnant, or why anyone could possibly want to have children. Complete mystery!

There is a joy in loving a child..To hold that sweet body and watch him or her grow..To hold their hand and watch them walk, listen to them talk..A part of you continues and that is a blessing..

Sounds deeply uninteresting. I guess I don't have the ego necessary to feel the need to replicate myself.

There is joy in plenty of other things, that don't involve having something take up residence in my body for nine months, and then bleed me dry for the rest of my life.

You go ahead, if that's your thing. Just try not to make me end up paying for it. And I sure as heck hope your DNA is worthwhile.

So bitter..

I can assure you -you will not pay for anything for me or mine..I have worked a lifetime already and my family members know how to do the same..You are not the only one working an dpaying taxes-but you are doing alot of complaining..

My DNA is worthwhile as my Father is GOD..But that is another subject..Now, before you start on that-I do make mistakes--I will not nor have I ever thrown the first or last or in between stone and I will not argue nor debate..

Okay, it seems few like to argue just to get a rouse! Let me explain the human female anatomy compared to a farm animal. First of all a hen can lay an egg daily. A hen needs a rooster only to hatch a chicken. Same as the human female anatomy. Unlike the hen a female will only release an egg once a month. Sometimes 2 will be released, hence fraternal twins. The female anatomy can only reproduce will the help from the male anatomy. Therefore explaining my statement all should be held accountable. If the woman wants an abortion then a release from the man should be provided. She didnt get that way by herself. Teenagers should have releases from their parents on both sides. The only time permission shouldnt be sought is in the event of a rape. Yes, women are more accountable because it is our anatomy that carries offspring. It has been scientifically proven the male anatomy has the mindset to reproduce just like any other mammal. If the other mammals see to their young then why not the human male species? Anytime you insert your anatomy part into a woman unprotected you should be thinking the same thing, what if I get her pregnant? Therefore if you want to play then be responsible to pay. PERIOD!